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re: How the SEC destroyed S.Miss and could Kill football
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:32 am to AlaTiger
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:32 am to AlaTiger
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The greed of the SEC and the other elite conferences will end up destroying college football as we have known it
What greed. You make this claim and do nothing to back it up.
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however, where all of the power is being collected at the top schools.
What do you mean by power?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:35 am to AlaTiger
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This article is 100% right - from a smaller school perspective. The greed of the SEC and the other elite conferences will end up destroying college football as we have known it. It will be good for the SEC but bad for everyone else. From his view, I get what he is saying.
Plus, the writer did blame their horrible coach, Ellis Johnson. Everyone can't be Alabama and Saban's opposition to the HUNH is a joke.
The article is written from a smaller college perspective and there are valid concerns here. Of course, SEC fans won't like it because it messes with their dominance. But, in every other sport, mid-major programs can field competitive teams. Not in college football, however, where all of the power is being collected at the top schools.
That will ultimately be bad for the game. If you don't have schools like Southern Miss and Troy and Memphis able to be at least somewhat competitive, then interest is lost in those programs. There actually is more to college football than who wins the national championship.
The writer blames the SEC for his problems. What has changed about the SEC for USM in the last 40 years? The SEC is on TV more. So is USM. USM is still competing against OM, MSU, LSU, Troy, etc for players. OM is on TV just the same amount as it was 5 years ago when USM was good.
This boils down to a shite coach who wants to run USM like Alabama. OM doesn't run their program like bama, and USm shouldn't either. This article is a long bitchfest that has no hold on reality or what is really happening.
This article is written from a smaller college perspective, if that perspective was whiny bitch university. USM's problems boil down to coaching, and that ain't Saban's fault.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:38 am to Kritten
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Firing Jeff Bower killed USM football.
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:41 am to cokebottleag
Just a few years ago USM played and competed against USC on CFB opening Thursday night if I remember correctly. They were very competitive, won alot of games that year and are just being pisspants now.
That flash of success a few years ago is why they are starting this season with two SEC teams.
That flash of success a few years ago is why they are starting this season with two SEC teams.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:42 am to Patton
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What greed.
Mmmm, ok.
We are on the SEC Rant. I assume a certain level of understanding about what the SEC is doing. I expect more from you, Patton. You've been here awhile.
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What do you mean by power?
Now you're just being obtuse.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 7:55 am to AlaTiger
Those are pretty vague terms. I'm not trying to be obtuse, I would just like more specifics on how the South Eastern Conference is ruining the University of Southern Mississippi's football program. Of course there's greed, you can also call greed, competitiveness. Of course power is being collected at the top, isn't the point of every school in America, to collect "power"? I don't get your point, should we just redistribute this power? Should we stop recruiting so hard, so we can leave some players for schools like USM? I'm simply failing to see your reasoning, or your justification, to blame an entire conference for one team's failures over the past two years.
What is the South Eastern Conference and its members doing now, that they hadn't been doing when the University of Southern Mississippi was on a 10 straight bowl game appearance streak?
What is the South Eastern Conference and its members doing now, that they hadn't been doing when the University of Southern Mississippi was on a 10 straight bowl game appearance streak?
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 8:03 am
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:07 am to mule74
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Firing Jeff Bower killed USM football.
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And I laugh my arse off every time I think about it. USM deserves to suck for 100 more years for that idiotic move. Talk about a herpa derp.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:13 am to gatorprincess815
I got through about 1/2 of this and asked myself: Why am I reading this shite? I couldn't come up with a good answer to why I wasted 2 minutes of my day on it.
I want those minutes back . . .
I want those minutes back . . .
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:16 am to gatorprincess815
What is hurting Mississippi Southern is the rise of Ole Miss and Miss St. As long as they continue to be moderately successful, USM will be left with the recruiting crumbs in their home state.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:18 am to gatorprincess815
What a lot of people don't know.
When Bower was fired, it created a divide between the alumni groups. The new school guys were pushing hard and got Bower out. They had convinced the old school group that with the right coach, USM could pull a Boise State.
Fedora comes in, promising BCS Games. The AD at the time was all behind Fedora. The AD was also using some creative accounting methods to fund what Fedora wanted. While Fedora had outstanding success over his 4 years at Southern, he never got to a BCS game.
That 2011 year happended and Fedora built a big enough year to get his name on the Big 5 radar. Everyone knew he was gone. For some reason, the old school alumni group became upset that Fedora was leaving, go figure, and combined that with a resentment from feeling swindled into firing Bower. The Old School guys were determined to regain control of the Athletic Dept. They forced the AD under Fedora to retire and said AD let out a big frick you, by accepting a lesser bowl in Hawaii over a higher paying and more affordable bowl in Dallas.
Now Old School guys got their new "Old School" AD Hammond in. Got their new "Old School" coach in Johnson in. And in one final frick You from the previous AD, Hammond uncovered a mountain of Debt (<1mil).
Then Ellis Johnson went 0-12.
I'm afraid Southern will never have the resources to recover from both a very bad football team and a mountain of debt. It was a combination of a lot of things but Ellis Johnson was hands down, the worst hire in college football history.
When Bower was fired, it created a divide between the alumni groups. The new school guys were pushing hard and got Bower out. They had convinced the old school group that with the right coach, USM could pull a Boise State.
Fedora comes in, promising BCS Games. The AD at the time was all behind Fedora. The AD was also using some creative accounting methods to fund what Fedora wanted. While Fedora had outstanding success over his 4 years at Southern, he never got to a BCS game.
That 2011 year happended and Fedora built a big enough year to get his name on the Big 5 radar. Everyone knew he was gone. For some reason, the old school alumni group became upset that Fedora was leaving, go figure, and combined that with a resentment from feeling swindled into firing Bower. The Old School guys were determined to regain control of the Athletic Dept. They forced the AD under Fedora to retire and said AD let out a big frick you, by accepting a lesser bowl in Hawaii over a higher paying and more affordable bowl in Dallas.
Now Old School guys got their new "Old School" AD Hammond in. Got their new "Old School" coach in Johnson in. And in one final frick You from the previous AD, Hammond uncovered a mountain of Debt (<1mil).
Then Ellis Johnson went 0-12.
I'm afraid Southern will never have the resources to recover from both a very bad football team and a mountain of debt. It was a combination of a lot of things but Ellis Johnson was hands down, the worst hire in college football history.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:21 am to LandBearShark
So....one guy, Ellis Johnson, COMPLETELY DESTROYED A FOOTBALL PROGRAM in less than 12 months?
Ok. Sounds legit.
Ok. Sounds legit.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:25 am to AUjim
quote:Yes.
So....one guy, Ellis Johnson, COMPLETELY DESTROYED A FOOTBALL PROGRAM in less than 12 months?
quote:It is. He is a career assistant.
Ok. Sounds legit
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:43 am to DrunkenStuporMan
Reading this thing, the writer really just seems to have a massive rage boner for Alabama.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:47 am to AUjim
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So....one guy, Ellis Johnson, COMPLETELY DESTROYED A FOOTBALL PROGRAM in less than 12 months?
It can absolutely be done, and Johnson did it. He had no business taking that job, and a lot of USC fans thought the same when he was flirting with it. He was a poor fit for what USM was running at the time, and the horses that they had in the stable.
The writer brings up some very valid points, from a smaller-school perspective. The Power Five will eviscerate the Group of Five or whatever it's called, until you essentially have three divisions of football - BCS-level, 1-A, and 1-AA. I'm not sure that's in the best interest of the game, long-term.
And Saban and Bert were completely wrong to try and change the rules so that they didn't have to adapt. I lost a lot of respect for both of them when they pulled that stunt. The game evolves. Either figure it out, or get run over. And I say that as a fan/alum of a school who got run the frick over last week.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:47 am to DrunkenStuporMan
Every time a coach goes from a new style offense to old school it is a disaster. Chizik switched, Bret B switched, Johnson switched.... All went winless in conference.. The players hated the new offense and saw no reason to change.
Can someone give a recent example of this working?
Can someone give a recent example of this working?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:51 am to AUjim
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So....one guy, Ellis Johnson, COMPLETELY DESTROYED A FOOTBALL PROGRAM in less than 12 months?
Ok. Sounds legit.
Reading the article it sure sounds legit.
It really reminds me of what happened at Hawaii when Norm Chow took over and decided that instead of sticking with the hybrid run and shoot/spread that they had been using and recruiting to for years that they would be a pro style team hell or high water.
Guess what happens when you do a massive overhaul and switch to a system you haven't been recruiting to or have the players for? You fall flat on your face and set your program back years.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 8:52 am to gatorprincess815
Jesus, at the bitterness. That was a pile of crap. Let's celebrate a few upsets over a half century and then propose to blame Nick Saban for "changes".
Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:14 am to Mr. Blutarski
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One reason and one reason only
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Nope. There are several reasons. ULL and South Alabama are taking all of your recruits, no talented in-state kids even look your way anymore, and your program doesn't have the facilities or fan support to succeed.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:16 am to allin2010
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Every time a coach goes from a new style offense to old school it is a disaster.
We were a pro-style offense under Nutt and went 2-10 his last year. Freeze came in with a totally different system and went 7-6
Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:18 am to Dr RC
Hawaii's AD has been talking about possibly having to shutdown their football program. That's so hard to believe especially if you had told me that 5 years ago.
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