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re: How the SEC destroyed S.Miss and could Kill football
Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:01 pm to msudawg1200
Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:01 pm to msudawg1200
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:07 pm to gatorprincess815
Yeah frick Southern Miss. Some coaches are meant to be assistants or coordinators. Some are meant to be head coaches. The roles are entirely different. The AD at So. Miss doesnt understand the difference apparently.
Ellis Johnson is a career coordinator. A good one. However, he was a failure as a Head Coach. Frankly, I would say the same is true of Gene Chizik. Great DC, but not a great head coach. he won a NC, but only because of Malzahn and Cam. Lightning in a bottle.
The premise that the "SEC destroyed S. Miss" is bullshite and disrespects Southern Miss history. Im an Auburn guy and I still remember Bret Favre beating Auburn in Auburn. i was there. (gotdammit.)
Ellis Johnson is a career coordinator. A good one. However, he was a failure as a Head Coach. Frankly, I would say the same is true of Gene Chizik. Great DC, but not a great head coach. he won a NC, but only because of Malzahn and Cam. Lightning in a bottle.
The premise that the "SEC destroyed S. Miss" is bullshite and disrespects Southern Miss history. Im an Auburn guy and I still remember Bret Favre beating Auburn in Auburn. i was there. (gotdammit.)
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:30 pm to RoyalAir
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And Saban and Bert were completely wrong to try and change the rules so that they didn't have to adapt. I lost a lot of respect for both of them when they pulled that stunt. The game evolves. Either figure it out, or get run over. And I say that as a fan/alum of a school who got run the frick over last week.
Solid post
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:08 pm to Arksulli
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Posted by Arksulli USM, back in the day before they got moved off the schedule, were hell on wheels against their fellow Miss. opponents. I am not saying this to denigrate either Ole Miss or MSU. Both programs had historically dominated USM but in the years before the two SEC schools dropped USM the Golden Eagles had been tapping that arse. Not joking or poking fun at Ole Miss or MSU here. Southern Miss had turned into a buzzsaw against them. It happens. It was a different era for college football and Southern Miss being the biggest school in state actually had a recruiting advantage of sorts over their instate rivals. It obviously did not work out long term for Southern Miss. Now Ole Miss and MSU can lay legitimate claim to being good teams in the toughest conference in college football. If anything it speaks to the success MSU and Ole Miss have enjoyed recently that they are both good teams in the toughest conference and with a legitimate mid major power (when they aren't in a state of complete collapse) lurking in state to battle them for recruits. TLDR; I don't think its a matter of offensive scheme that dismantled Southern Miss. They had really bad luck with coaches while their instate rivals have been impressive lately. As MSU proved recently Southern Miss is clearly a tier or two below Ole Miss and MSU right now.
Absolutely none of that shite is true.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:08 pm to RebFeBrees
FIFY
HOw the idiot fans and AD destroyed USM football.
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There's just so much wrong with this. If you really blame the firing of Bower for our problems, you obviously quit supporting the program and only supported the coach. Bower was complacent and stopped recruiting. 7-6 wasn't bringing us anywhere. We had (and still have in many of us) of being a program that absolutely dominated C-USA. There's no excuse for us to lose to these awful programs. And we were constantly doing it. I specifically remember a Wednesday night game(those ESPN money games) against a winless Rice squad. Rice thrashed us. A national embarrassment, all on the glory of ESPN. Bower's last home game against Arkansas State was a blackout. All 12,000 fans in the stand were not happy as we struggled to beat them. Half the student section wore white in protest of the crap we had witnessed.
Fedora was a great coach who won 12 games, something Bower never did. And if we don't get upset by UAB, we're in the Sugar Bowl. We were left with plenty of talent and in a great spot to keep winning. And we had people at the school, just like you Thomas, who would rather have someone who will stay with us for twenty years and never leave us, because we get offended when someone leaves us don't we? This brought the hiring of Ellis Johnson, who completely destroyed our program, our talent,
HOw the idiot fans and AD destroyed USM football.
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There's just so much wrong with this. If you really blame the firing of Bower for our problems, you obviously quit supporting the program and only supported the coach. Bower was complacent and stopped recruiting. 7-6 wasn't bringing us anywhere. We had (and still have in many of us) of being a program that absolutely dominated C-USA. There's no excuse for us to lose to these awful programs. And we were constantly doing it. I specifically remember a Wednesday night game(those ESPN money games) against a winless Rice squad. Rice thrashed us. A national embarrassment, all on the glory of ESPN. Bower's last home game against Arkansas State was a blackout. All 12,000 fans in the stand were not happy as we struggled to beat them. Half the student section wore white in protest of the crap we had witnessed.
Fedora was a great coach who won 12 games, something Bower never did. And if we don't get upset by UAB, we're in the Sugar Bowl. We were left with plenty of talent and in a great spot to keep winning. And we had people at the school, just like you Thomas, who would rather have someone who will stay with us for twenty years and never leave us, because we get offended when someone leaves us don't we? This brought the hiring of Ellis Johnson, who completely destroyed our program, our talent,
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:10 pm to TutHillTiger
Absolutely none of that shite is true.
Nahh maybe you are two young but those frickers beat Ole Miss and Mississippi state every year and were getting tons of players from South Mississippi. Of course they would often lose the next week to Lamar or something
Nahh maybe you are two young but those frickers beat Ole Miss and Mississippi state every year and were getting tons of players from South Mississippi. Of course they would often lose the next week to Lamar or something
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:25 pm to TutHillTiger
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Nahh maybe you are two young but those frickers beat Ole Miss and Mississippi state every year and were getting tons of players from South Mississippi. Of course they would often lose the next week to Lamar or something
Huh? We own USM historically. Msu is the one with the losing record against them. Sure, they won some games in the series when they had some solid teams and we were dreadful. In the late 70s, early 80s when we were making horrible decisions as an entire athletic department, they also had some very good teams and won 6 of 8 at one point. Those were their only wins in the entire series as OM holds an 18-6 record against USM. During that time, the rivalry just got downright nasty. USM fans are the poster child for inferiority complex and it became ridiculous for OM to continue to play them.
I'm on the younger side but know my history and am from HB. I've talked to plenty of people on both sides who have given me first hand accounts of how absurd some southern fans were at games in Jackson back in the day. USM fans' hate for OM is so, so potent. Growing up there, it's just a fact.
Eta: I grew up hearing the "OM is scared to play USM" and would love nothing more than for us to play them, even at "The Rock". I'm honestly jealous as hell that msu got to throat-frick them last weekend.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:51 pm to gatorprincess815
Found this awesome photo using link in OP.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 11:23 pm to JustGetItRight
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Southern Miss went to 10 straight bowls prior to the Ellis Johnson experiment. They won 11 games in 2011.
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