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re: How the new NCAA player stipends are impacting SEC football recruiting

Posted on 12/26/15 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27298 posts
Posted on 12/26/15 at 12:40 pm to
quote:

travel expenses should be cheaper


I forgot about the goofy travel calculation they used.
They just need to throw out the whole formula that was used and have the COA figured out be people who have absolutely no affiliation with the schools.

There's absolutely no way UT,Bama or Auburn were going
to give anything close to an honest evaluation.
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
37636 posts
Posted on 12/26/15 at 12:58 pm to
Different figures according to different sources:

August 2014

Alabama: $3,298
Arkansas: $4,002
Auburn: $5,586
Florida: $3,320
Georgia: $1,798
Kentucky: $3,536
LSU: $3,680
Mississippi: $4,500
Mississippi State: $5,126
Missouri: $3,664
South Carolina: $4,151
Tennessee: $5,666
Texas A&M: $3,100
Vanderbilt: $2,730

LINK

June 2015

Tennessee $5,666
Auburn $5,586
Mississippi State $5,126
Ole Miss $4,500
South Carolina $4,151
Arkansas $4,002
Missouri $3,664
Florida $3,320
LSU $3,096
Alabama $2,892
Vanderbilt $2,780
Texas A&M $2,706
Georgia $2,598
Kentucky $2,284

LINK

... and the numbers are done by independent accountants contracted by each program.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27298 posts
Posted on 12/26/15 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

independent


Independent my arse. So how exactly did Bama "recalculate" their COA after the initial numbers came out?Bama is above 5k BTW...your numbers are off.
This post was edited on 12/26/15 at 1:07 pm
Posted by MaroonNation
StarkVegas, Mississippi, Bitch!
Member since Nov 2010
21950 posts
Posted on 12/26/15 at 3:26 pm to
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Auburn has been good and won some hardware in the past few years. MSU would have been a better comparison for the coach to use with UK.



State has beat you 3 of the last 4 years.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
41910 posts
Posted on 12/26/15 at 4:21 pm to
This is just the $ that has to be "shown"

We all know it's much higher for every school
Posted by bama1959
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2008
4558 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 8:07 am to
quote:

You think Tuscaloosa is more expensive than Oxford? On what basis?


Bama attendance has exploded lately. It's gone from 19,000 to 37,000 students in 10 years. That's shot up apartment prices like crazy. I know because my son is going there now. Pisses me off how expensive it is. They've grown too fast.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42539 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 8:14 am to
I had a sister who went to Vandy, and she paid more than twice I did per month for rent. I had a far bigger room, probably a better location, and I actually lived in a house.

Nashville's COL is wayyy higher than Athens. Athens is super cheap unless you're going out of your way to make it expensive.
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
37636 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 8:57 am to
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Independent my arse. So how exactly did Bama "recalculate" their COA after the initial numbers came out?Bama is above 5k BTW...your numbers are off.


They are not "my numbers" asshat. I linked to the sources. Click and read or stfu.

July 2015

https://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/25249355/alabamas-cost-of-attendance-stipend-will-rank-among-highest-in-nation

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Alabama football coach Nick Saban has called cost of attendance a “nightmare” because of varying numbers by schools and concerns the figures could be fudged. He even suggested the NFL's salary cap could be a model to cap stipends for college players, missing the point that the Ed O'Bannon ruling won't allow such collusion and the NFL salary cap gets negotiated by a players union that doesn't exist in college sports.

Don't feel too bad for Saban, though. As it turns out, Alabama's cost of attendance stipends will rank among the leaders nationally at $5,386 for out-of-state players and $4,172 for in-state players, according to information the university provided to CBSSports.com.

This represents a 34-percent increase in Alabama's cost of attendance figure for out-of-state students from two years ago and a 14-percent increase for in-state students. In its 2013-14 NCAA financial report, Alabama listed the gap between its average scholarship and the full cost of attendance at $4,018 for out-of-state students and $3,664 for in-state students. Alabama did not provide its 2014-15 figures.

Some media reports have listed Alabama's new cost of attendance stipend for players at $2,892. In reality, the number will be much higher. Alabama's out-of-state stipend figure for 2015-16 ranks third among SEC schools based on a CBSSports.com survey; the only SEC schools with higher figures are Tennessee ($5,666) and Auburn ($5,586).


https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2015/07/alabama_cost-of-attendance_sti.html

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Previous estimates had Alabama's stipend for athletes near the bottom of the SEC, but new figures show that's not true.

Under the new cost-of-attendance rules, CBSSports.com reports the school will provide an extra $4,172 for in-state athletes and $5,386 for those from outside Alabama. The previous estimated average of $2,892 put Alabama 11th in the 14-team SEC.

Requests by AL.com for the UA's plan for cost-of-attendance stipends were not filled as of Friday afternoon.

But the new figures CBS Sports is reporting puts Alabama third in the nation, according to the CBS Sports survey. Only Tennessee ($5,666) and Auburn ($5,586) have larger stipends for out-of-state athletes nationally.

The formula for determining the amount subtracts the cost of attending the university from the average scholarship awarded. The figures, based on the 2013-14 NCAA financial report, show Alabama's cost of attendance rose sharply over the past year. But it also puts it closer in line with where a stipend would have been in the previous two years.




August 2015

LINK

quote:

Perhaps not surprisingly, the football-mad SEC has the three highest-ranked cost of attendance numbers: 1. Tennessee ($5,666), 2. Auburn ($5,586) and 3. Alabama ($5,386), which almost doubled its figure over the last school year.


July 2015

More money coming to Georgia athletes after they adjust figures to keep up with Tennessee, Auburn and Alabama

Auburn's Cost of Attendance explained

quote:

Three of the four universities that will offer their athletes an additional $5,000 or more (based on a traditional nine-month academic schedule) are members of the SEC: Tennessee ($5,666), Auburn ($,5,586) and Mississippi State ($5,126). Seven of the top 20 come from the SEC.

But where do these numbers come from? The Montgomery Advertiser's James Crepea sat down with Mike Reynolds, Auburn's executive director of student financial services, to learn just how he arrived at the numbers that are being met with considerably more scrutiny than in the recent past. LINK
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27298 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 9:54 am to
quote:

Not my numbers


Yea,they were numbers you linked and not up to date
and therefore wrong.

quote:

More money coming to Georgia athletes after they adjust figures to keep up with Tennessee,Alabama and Auburn


Read your own links much?There's absolutely nothing in that article stating that those figures are adjusted
for Bama,UT and AU and UGA is still in the bottom 3rd at
$2,598.00.

Read or STFU
This post was edited on 12/27/15 at 10:00 am
Posted by Doctor K
mandeville
Member since Oct 2014
725 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 10:41 am to
you are confusing legal and illegal. You can't count what the Alumni give them. lol
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
10568 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 11:09 am to
quote:

This just evens up that lotto schollie thing yall use for baseball,... which I never see LSU fans complaining about having that advantage..


Yeah, they forget about the stuff.
Posted by Tennessee Jed
Mr. SEC Rant
Member since Nov 2009
17909 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 11:16 am to
quote:

When UT and Auburn are the highest in the league you know it's already fricked up.


I would guess that the real estate in and around UT's campus is one of the most expensive, probably only behind Vanderbilt, in the league. It's also the third most expensive school in the league, in terms of tuition.
Posted by observant1
Trustville
Member since Apr 2014
377 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

The numbers aren't correct. Bama already brought theirs up.


But it shows why you can't play fair when some teams openly cheat because they used a law firm to blow up the NCAA Rules division.

Auburn had a higher academic measure than any SEC school also. Much smarter footballers than Vandy has.

You know what you are...........
Posted by presidenthog
Member since May 2015
1944 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 12:48 pm to
it's not about how much you can pay its about how much cost of living is. also bama already "fixed" thier amount and now are in the top 3
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27298 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

real estatd is one of the most expensive in the league


Boston College stipend is around $1,900.You have any idea how expensive real estate is in Chestnut Hill?

quote:

tuition third most expensive in the league


Tuition is already paid for has nothing to do with the COA formula.

Don't care how "independently" each school came to these numbers its obvoius UT and Auburn cooked the books and
Bama had to play catch up.
Posted by higgs_boson
State College, PA
Member since Sep 2014
22455 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

you are confusing legal and illegal. You can't count what the Alumni give them. lol


And tbh, I am sure that money is more than any stipend.

This might matter for those less valued recruits, but I doubt you see an exodus of five stars or four stars based on these numbers.

Stipends will not impact the soft money recruits get --- it is best just not to think about it.
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
30886 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:30 pm to
Want proof of BS in the whole metric?

quote:

Auburn $5,586

quote:

Alabama $2,892


In the same state. I assure you, it is not twice as expensive to live in Opelika. ~shakes head~

quote:

Tennessee $5,666

quote:

Vanderbilt $2,780


Knoxville... more expensive than Nashville?
Hahahahaha!!!

Seriously, I think I've seen Voodoo incantations rooted in more logic than these numbers.
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
30886 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:32 pm to
A lot of the crap is based off of "Transportation", a VERY shaky metric to begin with.

Half of AU's was that, which seems to imply that they have always assumed people don't want to live on campus, and the same with Tennessee...


Okay, that part might actually be legit.
Posted by higgs_boson
State College, PA
Member since Sep 2014
22455 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:40 pm to
I thought Alabama redid their estimate.

It is now about 200 dollars short of what AU is.

This post was edited on 12/27/15 at 1:41 pm
Posted by Jagd Tiger
The Kinder, Gentler Jagd
Member since Mar 2014
18139 posts
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:43 pm to
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It's perfectly legal brah, don't blame us for taking advantage of the agreed upon rules


ikr!

if you aint cheatin you aint tryin!

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