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re: How the new NCAA player stipends are impacting SEC football recruiting
Posted on 12/26/15 at 12:40 pm to inelishaitrust
Posted on 12/26/15 at 12:40 pm to inelishaitrust
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travel expenses should be cheaper
I forgot about the goofy travel calculation they used.
They just need to throw out the whole formula that was used and have the COA figured out be people who have absolutely no affiliation with the schools.
There's absolutely no way UT,Bama or Auburn were going
to give anything close to an honest evaluation.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 12:58 pm to Mizz-SEC
Different figures according to different sources:
August 2014
Alabama: $3,298
Arkansas: $4,002
Auburn: $5,586
Florida: $3,320
Georgia: $1,798
Kentucky: $3,536
LSU: $3,680
Mississippi: $4,500
Mississippi State: $5,126
Missouri: $3,664
South Carolina: $4,151
Tennessee: $5,666
Texas A&M: $3,100
Vanderbilt: $2,730
LINK
June 2015
Tennessee $5,666
Auburn $5,586
Mississippi State $5,126
Ole Miss $4,500
South Carolina $4,151
Arkansas $4,002
Missouri $3,664
Florida $3,320
LSU $3,096
Alabama $2,892
Vanderbilt $2,780
Texas A&M $2,706
Georgia $2,598
Kentucky $2,284
LINK
... and the numbers are done by independent accountants contracted by each program.
August 2014
Alabama: $3,298
Arkansas: $4,002
Auburn: $5,586
Florida: $3,320
Georgia: $1,798
Kentucky: $3,536
LSU: $3,680
Mississippi: $4,500
Mississippi State: $5,126
Missouri: $3,664
South Carolina: $4,151
Tennessee: $5,666
Texas A&M: $3,100
Vanderbilt: $2,730
LINK
June 2015
Tennessee $5,666
Auburn $5,586
Mississippi State $5,126
Ole Miss $4,500
South Carolina $4,151
Arkansas $4,002
Missouri $3,664
Florida $3,320
LSU $3,096
Alabama $2,892
Vanderbilt $2,780
Texas A&M $2,706
Georgia $2,598
Kentucky $2,284
LINK
... and the numbers are done by independent accountants contracted by each program.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 1:03 pm to scrooster
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independent
Independent my arse. So how exactly did Bama "recalculate" their COA after the initial numbers came out?Bama is above 5k BTW...your numbers are off.
This post was edited on 12/26/15 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 12/26/15 at 3:26 pm to AA7
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Auburn has been good and won some hardware in the past few years. MSU would have been a better comparison for the coach to use with UK.
State has beat you 3 of the last 4 years.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 4:21 pm to Mizz-SEC
This is just the $ that has to be "shown"
We all know it's much higher for every school
We all know it's much higher for every school
Posted on 12/27/15 at 8:07 am to HailFreezusOver
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You think Tuscaloosa is more expensive than Oxford? On what basis?
Bama attendance has exploded lately. It's gone from 19,000 to 37,000 students in 10 years. That's shot up apartment prices like crazy. I know because my son is going there now. Pisses me off how expensive it is. They've grown too fast.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 8:14 am to blackoutdore
I had a sister who went to Vandy, and she paid more than twice I did per month for rent. I had a far bigger room, probably a better location, and I actually lived in a house.
Nashville's COL is wayyy higher than Athens. Athens is super cheap unless you're going out of your way to make it expensive.
Nashville's COL is wayyy higher than Athens. Athens is super cheap unless you're going out of your way to make it expensive.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 8:57 am to RD Dawg
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Independent my arse. So how exactly did Bama "recalculate" their COA after the initial numbers came out?Bama is above 5k BTW...your numbers are off.
They are not "my numbers" asshat. I linked to the sources. Click and read or stfu.
July 2015
https://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/25249355/alabamas-cost-of-attendance-stipend-will-rank-among-highest-in-nation
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Alabama football coach Nick Saban has called cost of attendance a “nightmare” because of varying numbers by schools and concerns the figures could be fudged. He even suggested the NFL's salary cap could be a model to cap stipends for college players, missing the point that the Ed O'Bannon ruling won't allow such collusion and the NFL salary cap gets negotiated by a players union that doesn't exist in college sports.
Don't feel too bad for Saban, though. As it turns out, Alabama's cost of attendance stipends will rank among the leaders nationally at $5,386 for out-of-state players and $4,172 for in-state players, according to information the university provided to CBSSports.com.
This represents a 34-percent increase in Alabama's cost of attendance figure for out-of-state students from two years ago and a 14-percent increase for in-state students. In its 2013-14 NCAA financial report, Alabama listed the gap between its average scholarship and the full cost of attendance at $4,018 for out-of-state students and $3,664 for in-state students. Alabama did not provide its 2014-15 figures.
Some media reports have listed Alabama's new cost of attendance stipend for players at $2,892. In reality, the number will be much higher. Alabama's out-of-state stipend figure for 2015-16 ranks third among SEC schools based on a CBSSports.com survey; the only SEC schools with higher figures are Tennessee ($5,666) and Auburn ($5,586).
https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2015/07/alabama_cost-of-attendance_sti.html
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Previous estimates had Alabama's stipend for athletes near the bottom of the SEC, but new figures show that's not true.
Under the new cost-of-attendance rules, CBSSports.com reports the school will provide an extra $4,172 for in-state athletes and $5,386 for those from outside Alabama. The previous estimated average of $2,892 put Alabama 11th in the 14-team SEC.
Requests by AL.com for the UA's plan for cost-of-attendance stipends were not filled as of Friday afternoon.
But the new figures CBS Sports is reporting puts Alabama third in the nation, according to the CBS Sports survey. Only Tennessee ($5,666) and Auburn ($5,586) have larger stipends for out-of-state athletes nationally.
The formula for determining the amount subtracts the cost of attending the university from the average scholarship awarded. The figures, based on the 2013-14 NCAA financial report, show Alabama's cost of attendance rose sharply over the past year. But it also puts it closer in line with where a stipend would have been in the previous two years.
August 2015
LINK
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Perhaps not surprisingly, the football-mad SEC has the three highest-ranked cost of attendance numbers: 1. Tennessee ($5,666), 2. Auburn ($5,586) and 3. Alabama ($5,386), which almost doubled its figure over the last school year.
July 2015
More money coming to Georgia athletes after they adjust figures to keep up with Tennessee, Auburn and Alabama
Auburn's Cost of Attendance explained
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Three of the four universities that will offer their athletes an additional $5,000 or more (based on a traditional nine-month academic schedule) are members of the SEC: Tennessee ($5,666), Auburn ($,5,586) and Mississippi State ($5,126). Seven of the top 20 come from the SEC.
But where do these numbers come from? The Montgomery Advertiser's James Crepea sat down with Mike Reynolds, Auburn's executive director of student financial services, to learn just how he arrived at the numbers that are being met with considerably more scrutiny than in the recent past. LINK
Posted on 12/27/15 at 9:54 am to scrooster
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Not my numbers
Yea,they were numbers you linked and not up to date
and therefore wrong.
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More money coming to Georgia athletes after they adjust figures to keep up with Tennessee,Alabama and Auburn
Read your own links much?There's absolutely nothing in that article stating that those figures are adjusted
for Bama,UT and AU and UGA is still in the bottom 3rd at
$2,598.00.
Read or STFU
This post was edited on 12/27/15 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/27/15 at 10:41 am to mrbroker
you are confusing legal and illegal. You can't count what the Alumni give them. lol
Posted on 12/27/15 at 11:09 am to Roses of Crimson
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This just evens up that lotto schollie thing yall use for baseball,... which I never see LSU fans complaining about having that advantage..
Yeah, they forget about the stuff.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 11:16 am to roadGator
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When UT and Auburn are the highest in the league you know it's already fricked up.
I would guess that the real estate in and around UT's campus is one of the most expensive, probably only behind Vanderbilt, in the league. It's also the third most expensive school in the league, in terms of tuition.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 12:39 pm to crimsonian
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The numbers aren't correct. Bama already brought theirs up.
But it shows why you can't play fair when some teams openly cheat because they used a law firm to blow up the NCAA Rules division.
Auburn had a higher academic measure than any SEC school also. Much smarter footballers than Vandy has.
You know what you are...........
Posted on 12/27/15 at 12:48 pm to labamafan
it's not about how much you can pay its about how much cost of living is. also bama already "fixed" thier amount and now are in the top 3
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:03 pm to Tennessee Jed
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real estatd is one of the most expensive in the league
Boston College stipend is around $1,900.You have any idea how expensive real estate is in Chestnut Hill?
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tuition third most expensive in the league
Tuition is already paid for has nothing to do with the COA formula.
Don't care how "independently" each school came to these numbers its obvoius UT and Auburn cooked the books and
Bama had to play catch up.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:11 pm to Doctor K
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you are confusing legal and illegal. You can't count what the Alumni give them. lol
And tbh, I am sure that money is more than any stipend.
This might matter for those less valued recruits, but I doubt you see an exodus of five stars or four stars based on these numbers.
Stipends will not impact the soft money recruits get --- it is best just not to think about it.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:30 pm to Mizz-SEC
Want proof of BS in the whole metric?
In the same state. I assure you, it is not twice as expensive to live in Opelika. ~shakes head~
Knoxville... more expensive than Nashville?
Hahahahaha!!!
Seriously, I think I've seen Voodoo incantations rooted in more logic than these numbers.
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Auburn $5,586
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Alabama $2,892
In the same state. I assure you, it is not twice as expensive to live in Opelika. ~shakes head~
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Tennessee $5,666
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Vanderbilt $2,780
Knoxville... more expensive than Nashville?
Hahahahaha!!!
Seriously, I think I've seen Voodoo incantations rooted in more logic than these numbers.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:32 pm to skrayper
A lot of the crap is based off of "Transportation", a VERY shaky metric to begin with.
Half of AU's was that, which seems to imply that they have always assumed people don't want to live on campus, and the same with Tennessee...
Okay, that part might actually be legit.
Half of AU's was that, which seems to imply that they have always assumed people don't want to live on campus, and the same with Tennessee...
Okay, that part might actually be legit.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:40 pm to skrayper
I thought Alabama redid their estimate.
It is now about 200 dollars short of what AU is.
It is now about 200 dollars short of what AU is.
This post was edited on 12/27/15 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:43 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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It's perfectly legal brah, don't blame us for taking advantage of the agreed upon rules
ikr!
if you aint cheatin you aint tryin!
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