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re: How many football games does Mississippi State win in 2013?
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:14 pm to RebFeBrees
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:14 pm to RebFeBrees
guys....they're trying to say on SPS that we're dumb for saying Merlin's offense should be firing on all cylinders on his 4th season.
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Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:15 pm to pankReb
Wowser
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:16 pm to RebFeBrees
they compared all 4 of his seasons to Spurrier's at USCe. Saying they're on par for the course...
....so in other words Merlins should have them competitive in 8 years.
....so in other words Merlins should have them competitive in 8 years.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:17 pm to pankReb
I don't think they wanna see where our offense will be in 4 years
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:20 pm to omrebelfan20
Bottom line - Mullen has to have that big-bodied QB to ride like a rented mule to make his offense anything other than average to below-average.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:21 pm to omrebelfan20
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I don't think they wanna see where our offense will be in 4 years
Actually, one of them threw out the whole "how's your offense gonna be without Moncrief, Sanders, and Wallace?".
Guess he forgot about Treadwell. Then not to mention Kincade and Buchanon coming in.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:28 pm to pankReb
They're grasping for straws. They had their fun for three years but now things are back to normal and they don't know to justify the delusion and Mullen propaganda.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:28 pm to pankReb
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Guess he forgot about Treadwell. Then not to mention Kincade and Buchanon coming in.
And our RBs - Moore, Brazley, Dodson, and Barber.
And our TEs- Morgan, Ingram, and possibly Liggins.
And our WRs - LT who you mentioned plus Q and Derek Jones ( once we add some weight to him). Maybe even Coley who knows.
This post was edited on 12/30/12 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:32 pm to RebFeBrees
they're also saying Merlins is still playing with players who aren't his so it's still not "his" team.
But if crooms was such a shitty recruiter, how is it Merlins can't get a guy in 4 years better than crooms' players?
But if crooms was such a shitty recruiter, how is it Merlins can't get a guy in 4 years better than crooms' players?
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:35 pm to pankReb
Good Lord the delusion.
I know we have our fair share on the spirit and rebelgrove but damn them folks on SPS be smokin rocks.
I know we have our fair share on the spirit and rebelgrove but damn them folks on SPS be smokin rocks.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:35 pm to RebFeBrees
Even so we have those guys for two years still so 
To you leghumpers
To you leghumpers
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:41 pm to RebFeBrees
Merlins takes advantage of his fan base's overall lack of intelligence.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:45 pm to SwayzeBalla
Smoke and Mirrors
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:46 pm to SwayzeBalla
This thread has turned into...
Which is better?
Which is better?
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:46 pm to pankReb
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they compared all 4 of his seasons to Spurrier's at USCe
They've only had one good season under Mullen. That was in 2010. His four seasons are far from Spurrier.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 12:54 pm to engie
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We graduate ~ 2000 kids/yr more than you.
Also, link.
I'm legitimately curious as to where you got this information.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 1:07 pm to engie
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No, I simply listed the example of the single largest donation in the state of Ms's history.
Great.
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Since i must spell this out for you, if you refer back to my original post, you will see a list of 7 or 8 names.
Which original post? I'm not digging through this. Link it. I'd love to read it. Thanks.
You're trying to cobble together a "MISSISSIPPI STATE IS RICH TOO DANGIT" argument, which is funny because it totally undermines the "we're good, salt of the Earth" people so many State fans like to make.
I think it's great that y'all are doing a fine job of raising money. We are too. We're just over halfway done with a $150M fundraising campaign and, as I said before, our endowment is the largest of any university in Mississippi. You're trying to prove some point, doing a poor job at it, and coming off looking kinda sad.
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the founders of one of the world's largest electronics companies
Peavey? I'd be surprised if it was in the top 50 largest electronics. It's cool that the founder went to State and all, but you're being misleading when you say that.
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one of the worlds largest kitchen appliance companies
Viking? It's certainly prominent, but it's like the Audi of kitchen appliances. They make high quality stuff, but it's not one of the largest companies.
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and the only graduate of any ms school to my knowledge to be on any Forbes list.
Who? And on what list? Genuinely curious. And do you mean to be on any Forbes list ever or just currently?
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math and logic are solid.
No, you think they are, but they aren't.
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After generations of dominating MSU financially, that time is at an end
Again, false. You're predicting the future and saying what you think will happen, but you don't know shite and neither do I.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 1:09 pm to pankReb
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they're trying to say on SPS that we're dumb for saying Merlin's offense should be firing on all cylinders on his 4th season.
Our first year coach outperformed their fourth year coach. They're grasping for straws, and everyone sees it but them.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:53 pm to DCRebel
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Which original post? I'm not digging through this. Link it. I'd love to read it. Thanks.
The one you quoted originally -- when you dropped this gem:
Here was the full post in which you quoted:
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LOL, u mad. Show me some numbers that say anything different, Einstein. If it doesn't include your prominent alums, then it also doesn't include Mr Henry Mize, Leo Seal, George Bryan, Fred Carl Jr, Ronnie Parker, Hartley Peavey, Arthur Williams Jr, etc. Surely your argument isn't that OM has more mega-money boosters than MSU. If they did, you could show me where they drop multi millions at a time for your athletics program. Meanwhile, the Seals dropped $12 mil last year in a single check for the practice facility.
One damn booster, huh?
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our endowment is the largest of any university in Mississippi. You're trying to prove some point, doing a poor job at it, and coming off looking kinda sad.
Endowment funding is the longest-standing "statement" of wealth -- and consequently the one which takes the longest to change. Your endowment is $469 mil -- ours is $350 mil. Over the past 5 years, our growth rate has consistently outpaced yours by 5-8%/yr. More students graduating from MSU that are making more money on average over their lifetime makes this elementary in the long term. The numbers I posted show starting salary and mid-career salary. Even if OM can "fix" the starting salary deficit, it will take years to catch back up in the mid-career category.
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Who? And on what list? Genuinely curious. And do you mean to be on any Forbes list ever or just currently?
Arthur L. Williams, Jr. -- An insurance magnate whose original company merged to form Primerica and later in life a large shareholder in Citigroup. The most recent record of his wealth I can find says he's worth $1.4 billion.
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Again, false. You're predicting the future and saying what you think will happen, but you don't know shite and neither do I.
I'm going with the current decade-long trend, yes. Until you can(at the very least) close the student gap, there isn't much OM can do to change the trend. That won't happen quickly. The actual infrastructure isn't even in place @ OM to support many, if any, more students currently. As is, you have about 25k more living alumni than MSU does. At current graduation rates, that gap will be completely closed in just over a decade.
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You're trying to cobble together a "MISSISSIPPI STATE IS RICH TOO DANGIT" argument, which is funny because it totally undermines the "we're good, salt of the Earth" people so many State fans like to make.
Correct. The days of "poor ole MSU" are in the rearview. That mindset died with the Templeton regime. You will still meet some older fans like that -- but it's almost completely absent in my generation. I've never lived to see you dominate us in football, finances, or anything else for that matter. I missed the demoralization of Vaught and most of the games played in Jackson which provide the ultimate difference in the series.
I guess no "inferiority complex" was passed on to me from my parents -- while that's the only possible explanation for the OM "superiority complex" that's still very real.
This post was edited on 12/30/12 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 12/30/12 at 4:17 pm to engie
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Here was the full post in which you quoted:
Your post stated the Seals as boosters and then just listed the others as "prominent alumni." You didn't at all demonstrate that they boost shite.
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One damn booster, huh?
I wasn't saying that State has one booster, I was saying that you claimed that State has more than OM while only demonstrating one big booster: the Seals.
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Your endowment is $469 mil -- ours is $350 mil. Over the past 5 years, our growth rate has consistently outpaced yours by 5-8%/yr.
Link? Thanks.
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More students graduating from MSU that are making more money on average over their lifetime makes this elementary in the long term. The numbers I posted show starting salary and mid-career salary. Even if OM can "fix" the starting salary deficit, it will take years to catch back up in the mid-career category.
You somehow conflate salaries of alumni with endowment here. You do realize that they're not directly related, right? Schools invest in stocks, bonds, and even real estate, all of which are counted in "endowment" figures. It's not just a matter of philanthropic giving, but rather the net wealth of the university itself.
Honestly, a bigger correlation to endowment figures is tuition costs. Look at schools with smaller endowments, then look at their tuitions. Compare those to their counterparts. You'll see that even universities which are smaller and younger than ours can have much, much larger endowments (for example, Carnegie Mellon is several decades younger than either State or Ole Miss and has a much smaller student body - yet has a much larger endowment, because they raise a shitload of money through tuition costs every year).
Like I said, this shite is way more complicated than you want it to be. You are trying to simplify or boil down rather complicated phenomena in order to make State look good. It's lame, engie.
Ole Miss isn't "getting poorer." Sorry bro. I'll happily admit that State's doing a good job of raising money though, just as Ole Miss is.
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Arthur L. Williams, Jr. -- An insurance magnate whose original company merged to form Primerica and later in life a large shareholder in Citigroup. The most recent record of his wealth I can find says he's worth $1.4 billion.
Like I asked, what list is he on and when was he on it. Because Bernie Ebbers went to MC and, before he went to prison, he was the wealthiest Mississippian. Just saying that Williams isn't the only Mississippian to be on a Forbes list. I'm not sure if that's what you meant but, then again and as per the usual, you weren't exactly clear.
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I'm going with the current decade-long trend, yes.
And if you picked a different decade you'd get different results. Your methods aren't exactly without their flaws.
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Until you can(at the very least) close the student gap
Student gap? The difference in enrollment between our two schools is literally a few-hundred.
And our freshman class this year is the largest freshman class of any school in Mississippi... or maybe that was last year. Regardless, whatever "gap" there may be is both insignificant and easily fixed, as if fixing it is even necessary.
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As is, you have about 25k more living alumni than MSU does. At current graduation rates, that gap will be completely closed in just over a decade.
Unless you can demonstrate that number of living alumni correlates directly to funding for a university (such as its endowment) then you'd have a point, but you haven't yet demonstrated that and I've even demonstrated that the contrary can be the case (as in smaller and younger schools than ours having much larger endowments due to academic prestige, wise use of donations or grants, and wealthy alumni).
As with a lot of your posts engie, you think you have a sound argument, but it really doesn't hold up to any sort of scrutiny at all.
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I guess no "inferiority complex" was passed on to me from my parents -- while that's the only possible explanation for the OM "superiority complex" that's still very real.
Or the fact that State and Starkville are lame as hell and you're an also-ran in Mississippi when it comes to national media. That has a shitload to do with the inferiority complex as I see it. Why else would you all do the "People's University" and "Mississippi's College Town" and "OUR State" bullshite?
You're tired of us getting all of the attention. I can't say I blame you.
ETA - And clearly, as I just demonstrated, that shite didn't die with the Templeton regime. It still exists today - just look at the way your head coach behaves.
This post was edited on 12/30/12 at 4:18 pm
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