re: How many football games does Mississippi State win in 2013?

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Ole Miss endowment(2004-present) - $367-$469mil
Mississippi State endowment(2004-present) - $171-#347mil

Run the percentages and tell me just when you expect to be overtaken in this regard.

2018 projected(on average of previous growth rates): OM - $599.34 mil
MSU - $704.15 mil

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Again, this is a highly flawed method. Even you can see this.

You're skewing the numbers to have them fit your narrative.

Can I solve this for both of you? Lets play the odds here (what I'm good at, I own the blackjack table at Pearl River).

In general OM students are more wealthy. Not hard to argue that.

State students aren't generally poor either, most come from very successful farming families or business owners.

Now, MSU has a larger student body of recent years. The average salary of a graduate of both schools is pretty close to the same.

The reason MSU is trending upwards in donations is because a large volume of our student body (which is growing rapidly) are from Mississippi and grew up State fans.

Ole MIss has a large out of state population in their students, people who never followed OM sports and generally feel much less pride in their alma mater after they graduate. If one of these succeeds in life, he is less likely to make large donations to benefit the school. This decreases the chances of OM having large money boosters from in state.

State with the larger student body, mostly from in state, has a better chance because if a student graduate from there succeeds, (and with more students comes a higher likelihood of successful graduates) odds are greater he/she has always been a State fan and more inclined to donate.

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Again, this is a highly flawed method. Even you can see this.

You're skewing the numbers to have them fit your narrative.

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Skew them to fit yours then...if you can?

There is no SKEW in any part of that. Those are hard factual numbers -- and a hard projection based on past performance.

Face it -- you called me on the growth patterns in endowment, now reap the rewards of that.

Or how about this - the middle class in the South is growing in a way that it hasn't in a long time, meaning that more Southern families can send their children to college. Since OM and State are very affordable, both schools are growing. Since both have better-than-average leadership and increasing school loyalty (due to growing enrollments - again, OM has a larger freshman class than State, remember?), both are going to grow in both size and available resources.

The growth of endowments isn't linear, which is why engie's model is flawed. Will State's outgrow Ole Miss'? Probably not. It's not impossible, but nobody really knows. All I'm saying is that since ours is already significantly larger, even the interest we collect on it will have a huge impact on its growth.

Of course, since State owns so much land, the growth in real estate prices, especially in Mississippi as of late, will benefit the university tremendously.

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I don't really see how that movie has much to do with OM. It takes place in the Delta/Jackson and is about race relations. If anything it would be negative towards OM.

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Wait a second, this is bogus.

So on the one hand, you say it's got nothing to do with Ole Miss, then you say it "would be negative towards OM."

That doesn't add up.

A lot has to do with MSU making itself way more attractive that it used to be. We are growing to reach our potential..I would be shocked if we surpass OM in endowment at the levels engie is proposing unless we obtain another huge booster in the near future.

I could easily see us getting to the same level as OM though. The trend for that seems very likely.

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I could easily see us getting to the same level as OM though. The trend for that seems very likely.

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That is probable.

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We are growing to reach our potential.

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As are we.

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The Blind Side. The Help. New York Times articles. Wall Street Journal Articles. USA Today Articles. The Travel Channel. The Food Network.

For a small public university in a small state, we get a shitload of national media attention.

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Link? You are in the SEC. You get SEC attention. The fact that you see it as more than that feeds into your stereotypical Ole Miss sense of perceived greatness -- that doesn't exist in reality.

We got more positive media attention for the single Loyola basketball game commemorating Game of Change than you can show me total from Ole Miss this year.

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That's simply false. That's you seeing what you want to see.

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Link me to what you've brought to the table this year that reflects positively on the state of Ms in general...if you can? I'll be happy to point out the negative(again).

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TSUN. "We're never losing to this team again." Blaming Ole Miss for rumors that he was going to Penn State. Yadda yadda yadda.

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Link me to this happening in the past 12 + months... if you can? That's what I thought.

He blamed Ole Miss for the Penn St rumors? Gee, I wonder why?
OM Touchdown Club member Brad Logan Starts Unsubstantiated Rumor of Dan Mullen to Colorado

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The main character - the one who, you know, is all progressive and shite - went to Ole Miss. It's an important part of her character.

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It's mentioned once in the movie that I recall -- literally one sentence. How is it a major part of her character?

All the killers/bigots in Straw Dogs are Ole Miss fans too -- even flew the flag from their truck. Guess that should be mentioned as well in this pop culture debate.

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That's the skew, engie. You have basically cherrypicked favorable years to say "look at how much it has grown!"

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I picked every single one I could find. The last 8. We've beat you on them all by at least 2.1% and up to 20%.

You call it "cherrypicking", but you can't cherrypick any form of data to dispute it.

And on the terms of research money :

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I'm still calling you on it. You're like the Al fricking Gore of endowment growth. You pick out the figures that fit your model. It's circular logic, engie.

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How is it circular logic? My initial argument was simple -- you wanted to complicate it -- yet you've found NOTHING to make any part of it less than 100% accurate. You are downplaying it, while providing nothing to combat the facts I posted.

You thought the numbers would tell a different story -- they didn't. Sorry. My initial argument was well-thought-out and well-executed. Making me spell it out for you has done nothing but proven that true.