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re: How good was Archie Manning in college?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 5:08 pm to Prof
Posted on 4/12/17 at 5:08 pm to Prof
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52% passer 31 TDs/40 interceptions
I never saw him play but one thing to consider is the past few years expected completion percentages have skyrocketed. That used to be a pretty good number whereas now that's considered anywhere from mediocre to good but not great. Ironically, Archie can blame his son Peyton for that as PM ushered in a completely different era and style of QB play alongside different expectations for QBs.
Also, when Archie played QBs ran a whole lot more whereas PM was a statue who threw from the pocket. Different styles of play dictate different results. Oddly enough, college football is reverting to Archie's style of play more and more and the pro game which has a huge QB problem right now is starting to evolve ever so slightly at the QB position in response.
Agree....
But, the elite QB's in the NFL (ones that win Suprbowls) are still pocket passers....
Defenders are too big, strong, and fast....
One hit and your starting QB is out....
If you want to win a Suprbowl....you need a healthy pocket passing QB (and an elite one at that!)
52% passer 31 TDs/40 interceptions
I never saw him play but one thing to consider is the past few years expected completion percentages have skyrocketed. That used to be a pretty good number whereas now that's considered anywhere from mediocre to good but not great. Ironically, Archie can blame his son Peyton for that as PM ushered in a completely different era and style of QB play alongside different expectations for QBs.
Also, when Archie played QBs ran a whole lot more whereas PM was a statue who threw from the pocket. Different styles of play dictate different results. Oddly enough, college football is reverting to Archie's style of play more and more and the pro game which has a huge QB problem right now is starting to evolve ever so slightly at the QB position in response.
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quote: 52% passer 31 TDs/40 interceptions I never saw him play but one thing to consider is the past few years expected completion percentages have skyrocketed. That used to be a pretty good number whereas now that's considered anywhere from mediocre to good but not great. Ironically, Archie can blame his son Peyton for that as PM ushered in a completely different era and style of QB play alongside different expectations for QBs. Also, when Archie played QBs ran a whole lot more whereas PM was a statue who threw from the pocket. Different styles of play dictate different results. Oddly enough, college football is reverting to Archie's style of play more and more and the pro game which has a huge QB problem right now is starting to evolve ever so slightly at the QB position in response.
Agree....
But, the elite QB's in the NFL (ones that win Suprbowls) are still pocket passers....
Defenders are too big, strong, and fast....
One hit and your starting QB is out....
If you want to win a Suprbowl....you need a healthy pocket passing QB (and an elite one at that!)
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 5:09 pm to Rohan Gravy
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I have no idea what these nonsense comments mean.... But you obviously have 0 (zero) knowledge of the history of the SEC..... I would hope more on this board would appreciate that.... Have you reached puberty yet?
You have to figure in who you are talking with. Unfortunately this is on par with a majority of that fan base. The exceptions are a few of the pups that post here.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 5:13 pm to Ancient Astronaut
Definitely a different game. Hell, it's even a different game jumping to the NFL from college. The spread has taken storm in college but eventually it will get passed up.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 5:26 pm to texag7
He was an incredible talent. Also a great baseball player. I doubt you'd see statistics anywhere near as good as his from any of a large number of great qb's if they'd been forced to play with his supporting cast.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 5:34 pm to texag7
He was fun to watch, fearless. Made great decisions in big games that not always led to a win but often just made you respect the helloutta him. He was a gamer. He was not surrounded by great talent but he made everyone around him better. Fierce competitor. I was actually a huge Ole Miss fan back in those days although I chose to go to Carolina, I remained a fan of his. Knew the song very well.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 6:21 pm to texag7
Hey had 14 in a season and the YPC usually take in account sacks.
Which I am sure he took more than a few of.
Which I am sure he took more than a few of.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:04 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Thank you....I'll catch on, eventually!
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:12 pm to texag7
Archie was also very good at baseball, short stop, and correct me if I am wrong, as it's been decades ago, but I believe he was an All American in baseball, too.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:46 pm to Glorious
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Apparently he ripped Bama a new one in one of the first primetime national TV games
Yes and no on the ripping. THE first on the primetime TV.
"No player before Manning had ever thrown for 300 yards and run for 100 in a major-college game; he sets school records for pass attempts, completions, yards and total offense."
But Bama won the game!
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:00 pm to texag7
College football in the late 60s and early 70s was quite different from today's game. The passing game was still in its developmental stage, so I would say the 31 career TDs was pretty impressive, in a 3 year career.
I saw him play 2 awesome games vs LSU (68 & 69) in which he was literally Superman in an Ole Miss uniform both times, so yea, he was great!
I saw him play 2 awesome games vs LSU (68 & 69) in which he was literally Superman in an Ole Miss uniform both times, so yea, he was great!
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:12 pm to texag7
Among the best I have ever seen. This includes Bo, Herschel, etc.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:20 pm to DeathPenalty
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Good enough for OM be relevant. That's saying something.
Bingo. Dude was great. He played in a different time and a different game.
If you want to look at stats.............look at Joe Namath's NFL stats. They aren't impressive, at all. He is in the HOF...........and deservedly so.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:06 am to MrAUTigers
Not old enough to have seen Archie play in college, but I am old enough to have watched him with the Saints. By all accounts, he was a great college QB, and I respect that he did play with a broken arm his senior season. And that did happen.
He played for a terrible franchise with terrible ownership and a terrible offensive line in New Orleans, then got shipped to Houston when the Oilers were collapsing, then went to Minnesota when the Vikings hit rock bottom. He probably only had a decent offensive line in '78 and '79 and he was the NFC Offensive Player of the Year in '78.
That said, I watched him as a Saints fan and I thought that he made poor decisions a lot of times. I don't think he would have been a game-changing quarterback even with a decent offensive line. I think a lot of opponents felt sorry for him because he got hit a lot and usually handled himself with class. I think that clouds their judgment.
I also didn't appreciate how butthurt he was after the Saints won the Super Bowl, though I appreciate the fact he was probably stung for his son, who was on the losing end. Still, he could have been a little more gracious to the Saints and their fans, considering their fans were through the roof after all of the bad football they had to watch for 40+ years.
He played for a terrible franchise with terrible ownership and a terrible offensive line in New Orleans, then got shipped to Houston when the Oilers were collapsing, then went to Minnesota when the Vikings hit rock bottom. He probably only had a decent offensive line in '78 and '79 and he was the NFC Offensive Player of the Year in '78.
That said, I watched him as a Saints fan and I thought that he made poor decisions a lot of times. I don't think he would have been a game-changing quarterback even with a decent offensive line. I think a lot of opponents felt sorry for him because he got hit a lot and usually handled himself with class. I think that clouds their judgment.
I also didn't appreciate how butthurt he was after the Saints won the Super Bowl, though I appreciate the fact he was probably stung for his son, who was on the losing end. Still, he could have been a little more gracious to the Saints and their fans, considering their fans were through the roof after all of the bad football they had to watch for 40+ years.
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 8:11 am
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:29 am to texag7
knowing some of the OP's posting history there must have been something said by an Ole Miss fan that was mean to A$M or Alabama.
With that said Archie Manning was great. He was the original Tebow or Manziel without the "me-first" attitude in little Johnny's case.
With that said Archie Manning was great. He was the original Tebow or Manziel without the "me-first" attitude in little Johnny's case.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:44 am to texag7
I was fortunate to watch him in college. Tremendous player in a very different football game that is played today. I've never seen someone be so accurate with the ball while on the dead run. He was fast too. I watched the UM/Bama game in prime time. Quite a show.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:48 am to texag7
Did not watch him in college, but watched most of his pro career and I think he may have been the best of the 3 as a pro. Terrible teams, but definitely had the best eyes of the 3, scrambled for his life at all times and made incredible plays over and over and over again. I'm talking head scratching, "how did he do that" plays all the time every quarter of his career.
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 8:50 am
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:34 am to texag7
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texag7How good was Archie Manning in college? by texag7
Stats don't tell a lot.
Archie and Bert Jones and Tommy Casanova were a few of my very early idols.
Archie single-handedly beat LSU in 1968 and 1969 - the latter preventing the Tigers from playing #1 Texas in the 1970 Cotton Bowl.
He also led Ole Miss to a decisive defeat of 9-1 Arkansas in the 1970 Sugar, the same Arky who had recently lost 15-14 to Texas.
Bert Jones, who was 4th in the '71 Heisman voting, was only 103-199 for for under 2000 yards.
But both Archie and Bert excelled in the Pros..
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 11:35 am
Posted on 4/13/17 at 12:30 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Total bust in the NFL as well. Overrated because of how good his sons are
NFC Offensive Player of the year in 1979. Obviously sucked.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 12:35 pm to ALA2262
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"No player before Manning had ever thrown for 300 yards and run for 100 in a major-college game; he sets school records for pass attempts, completions, yards and total offense." But Bama won the game!
Actually coach Vaught LOST the game. Ole Miss missed the extra point after the first TD, and went for two after every other touchdown, failing to convert every time but once. If Ole Miss kicks the extra points, then final score would've been 34-33.
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 4/13/17 at 12:49 pm to REBSontheRISE
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Actually coach Vaught LOST the game. Ole Miss missed the extra point after the first TD, and went for two after every other touchdown, failing to convert every time but once. If Ole Miss kicks the extra points, then final score would've been 34-33
Well, they both scored 5 touchdowns. Alabama went for two at least twice, including the last time after Ole Miss had gone up 32-27. Could have been a tie.
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