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How does Bama's current run compare to other dynasties in their prime?

Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:14 am
Posted by FourThreeForty
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:14 am
This is excluding any other point in Bama's history (early 60s and entire 70s for example.)


Nebraska I believe had a point where they had 25 straight years of 9 wins or more. This was followed by a mid 90s run where over 4 years they lost maybe...3-4 games?


Then you have USC from about 2003-2007. 2 straight heisman winners and a 2.5 season win streak from late 2003-end of 2005.



Just dynasties like that.
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
53843 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:20 am to
Alabama is the undisputed KING of college football and it isn't close.
Posted by Phat Phil
Krispy Kreme
Member since May 2010
7373 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:25 am to
Prepare 3 straight years of embarassing ooc bowl losses. SEC as a whole sucked arse this year and Bama capitalized on it.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30244 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:28 am to
quote:

SEC as a whole sucked arse this year and Bama capitalized on it.
The SEC was there for the taking this year.
Posted by Phat Phil
Krispy Kreme
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:34 am to
2009: Credit to Bama. Well deserved championship season
2010: Disappointing 3 losses with stacked 2 deep
2011: Rematch after losing the do or die game. Are you fricking kidding me?
2012: Both Oregon and Kansas State miraculously loses. Backdoor champ U
2013: Kick 6 and Chokelahoma LOL
2014: Corch kicked the shite out of them
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37644 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:49 am to
2009 10erC loses to Bama
2010 10erC loses to Bama
2011 10erC loses to Bama
2012 10erC loses to Bama
2013 10erC loses to Bama
2014 10erC loses to Bama
2015 10erC loses to Bama

For the foreseeable future? 10erC loses to Bama
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65118 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:50 am to
This isn't a dynasty according to VerlanderBeast, this is what you call a "historic run" in his parlance. Not enough undefeated seasons to qualify as a dynasty.
Posted by UAtide11
Member since Apr 2014
2190 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:52 am to
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Chokelahoma



Posted by RECConspiracy
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
2088 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:57 am to
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14andCounting

Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:58 am to
So, 4 Natty's in 7 seasons?

DYNASTY
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 12:04 pm
Posted by SquirrelyBama
Member since Nov 2011
6389 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:03 pm to
"'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all."

Many programs would love to have even one of the many historic runs Bama has had, simple as that! I sure can't complain about the memories Bama has given me throughout the years.

Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:21 pm to
Bama's current run is very strong. First off, here is what I would consider a "Dynasty"

#1 Must include at least 2 National Titles during the run
#2 Has to be at least 4 seasons in length
#3 Cannot include consecutive seasons ranked outside the Final AP Top 20
#4 Average Final Rank in AP Poll must be at least Top 10
#5 At least 50% of the seasons must include a Top 5 AP Finishs
#6 Overall winning percentage must be at least 82%

Using this criteria, there have been 5 dynasties during the modern era (1980-present). Here they are listed in chronological order:

MIAMI
Years: 1983-2003 (21 total)
National Titles: 5
Top 5 Finishes: 12 (57%)
Avg. AP Rank: #8.0
Total Record: 212-42-0 (83.5%)
**Produced 2 Heisman Trophy winners

FLORIDA STATE
Years: 1987-2000 (14 years)
National Titles: 2
Top 5 Finishes: 14 (100%)
Avg. AP Rank: #2.6
Total Record: 152-19-1 (88.7%)
*Produced 2 Heisman Trophy winners

USC
Years: 2002-2008 (7 years)
National Titles: 2
Top 5 Finishes: 7 (100%)
Avg. AP Rank: #4.3
Total Record: 68-9 (88.3%)
*Produced 3 Heisman Trophy winners (though Reggie Bush later vacated his)

FLORIDA
Years: 2006-2009 (4 years)
National Titles: 2
Top 5 Finishes: 3 (75%)
Avg. AP Rank: #4.5
Total Record: 48-7 (87.3%)
*Produced 1 Heisman Trophy winner

ALABAMA
Years: 2008-present (currently 8 years)
National Titles: 3
Top 5 Finishes: 4 or 5 (50-62.5% depending on this year)
Avg. AP Rank: #4.3
Total Record: 96-12 (88.9%)
*Produced 2 Heisman Trophy winners

***Ohio State only needs one more title in the coming years to be able to say they have been in a dynasty dating back to 2012.


In my opinion, Miami's dynasty is most impressive... simply because it spanned 2+ decades and claimed 5 National Titles.

The fact that Florida State finished in the AP Top 5 in 14 consecutive seasons is a feat that will likely never be equaled. I also think that makes that dynasty extra special.

If Bama were to lose in the playoff and sputter out over the next few seasons, I would say that the Saban dynasty would rank #3 in the modern era behind Miami's and Florida State's. To me, FSU's 14-consecutive seasons in the Top 5 + 2 MNCs would trump Bama's 3 MNC's in 9 years with just 4 Top 5 fnishes.

If Bama were to win the Title this season, then it would be a for-sure #2 best dynasty of the modern era, and they'd be well on their way to equaling Miami's impressive dynasty.
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:28 pm to
I actually think Miami had two separate dynasties. I'd like to see their rankings during the 90's to early 2000s
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
8906 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:30 pm to
This is a quality post. I'm flabbergasted someone around here actually took the time to carefully consider a question and provide an objective, data-supported answer. I am buying this man a virtual drink.
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
53843 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

Prepare 3 straight years of embarassing ooc bowl losses. SEC as a whole sucked arse this year and Bama capitalized on it.



Don't you think it is a little unfair to try and throw UT in there with the rest of the SEC? Be real, y'all have sucked for the last 10 years during the time the conference was probably the most powerful it has been in years.

During some of the most dominant years of SEC football UT went full deliverance and chose to invent and then master the craft of butt chugging, Seriously!!!!!
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 12:33 pm
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:32 pm to
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If Bama were to win the Title this season, then it would be a for-sure #2 best dynasty of the modern era, and they'd be well on their way to equaling Miami's impressive dynasty.
Miami's dynasty runs 20 freaking years even with major rebuilding in between? And Bama won a Natty in that period...against Miami. So, can our dynasty go back to '92? Or back to Bear? I don't see why not
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
24175 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:33 pm to
Looking at the records, Miami's dynasty ended in 94. After that, 5 bad seasons where their best ranking was #14, before Butch Davis turned them around. Coker took over and had one title, followed by continuing decline. That's not a dynasty.

This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 12:34 pm
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

I actually think Miami had two separate dynasties. I'd like to see their rankings during the 90's to early 2000s


You can certainly make that argument.

In that case, Miami from 1983-1994 would be "Dynasty #1" and Miami 2000-2003 would be "Dynasty #2. The problem is that second set of years only includes 1 National Title (but two #2 finishes) so it would not be a dynasty by my definition.

While there was a definite break in dominance, its not like Miami completely fell off the map for very long.

1994: #6 finish
1995: #20 finish (start of the drop-off)
1996: #14 finish
1997: Unranked
1998: #20 finish
1999: #15 finish
2000: #2 finish (back to dominance)

So from 1996-1999, there were 5 years of relative struggle. Still, the fact that Miami finished in the Top 20 in 4 of their 5 "down years" sandwiched between 2 sets of absolute dominance... I don't think Miami was ever "down" enough to say the dynasty totally ended. There was certainly some rebuilding that went on in the middle, but it was never so bad for long enough to say it totally ended, IMO.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

Miami's dynasty runs 20 freaking years even with major rebuilding in between? And Bama won a Natty in that period...against Miami. So, can our dynasty go back to '92? Or back to Bear? I don't see why not


Again, Miami's "down" years were a 5-year stretch in which they finished in the Top 20 in 4 out of the 5 seasons. I don't think that was ever bad enough to say the dynasty ended since it picked right back up in 2000 and saw another 4 consecutive years of Top 5 finishes.

During this "down" period (1995-1999), Miami was 13th nationally in weekly AP Poll appearances, so its not like they were irrelevant.

To try to liken Miami's "down" years to Bama's down years between the Stallings years and when Saban rebuilt Bama is a joke.

From 1997-2007, Bama went through an 11-year period that included just three Top 25 finishes... none of them consecutive. It also included four losing seasons.

That's far different than Miami's 5 "down" years which included four Top 20 finishes. Not even close to the same thing.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 1:13 pm to
Its really strong, but its not a Miami Dynasty.
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