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Posted on 9/9/14 at 8:51 am to Kritten
Posted on 9/9/14 at 8:51 am to Kritten
Sims is playing smart and well within the offense. He's "managing the game", which is what Bama typically asks their QBs to do. He is incredibly athletic and has great escapability. The team loves him. Those are all his strengths. He's not a great down-field passer and his accuracy on the move isn't what you'd like. Those are his weaknesses.
Coker was asked to do more in the last game than Sims was (higher percentage of his throws were down-field throws, etc.). He has a significantly stronger arm. His size is more in line with your typical drop-back passer. He has the much higher ceiling than Sims. Those are his strengths. He doesn't fully grasp the offense, his throws seem rushed and off his back foot, and he is forcing the ball down-field instead of taking what the D gives him. Those are his weaknesses.
Bottom line - Bama will be fine with either one and most Bama fans truly don't care which one starts/plays as long as the team performs up to their abilities and wins. Non-Bama fans are the ones constantly talking about how much Bama fans care about the QB's race.
Coker was asked to do more in the last game than Sims was (higher percentage of his throws were down-field throws, etc.). He has a significantly stronger arm. His size is more in line with your typical drop-back passer. He has the much higher ceiling than Sims. Those are his strengths. He doesn't fully grasp the offense, his throws seem rushed and off his back foot, and he is forcing the ball down-field instead of taking what the D gives him. Those are his weaknesses.
Bottom line - Bama will be fine with either one and most Bama fans truly don't care which one starts/plays as long as the team performs up to their abilities and wins. Non-Bama fans are the ones constantly talking about how much Bama fans care about the QB's race.
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Posted on 9/9/14 at 8:54 am to Teague
you bammers are just confirming all stereotypes. i caught the PF show the other day and the calls were epic! the only ones who have made this about race is the bama fans. Coker sucks and Bama fans want it so badly to not be true that when a commentator does his job and gives his opinion (Ware has always been harsh in his words) you bammers lose your freaking mind!
<--- this has been me for the past couple days listening to stuff like this.
<--- this has been me for the past couple days listening to stuff like this.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 8:56 am to bamasgot13
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Coker was asked to do more in the last game than Sims was
this is just simply not true. Forcing the ball downfield=/=being asked to do more. quote:
He has the much higher ceiling than Sims.
Conjecture.
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and most Bama fans truly don't care which one starts/plays as long as the team performs up to their abilities and wins.
This is true, and I don't think it is about race. I think it is about Bama fans completely buying into to the Coker hype without any tangible reasons.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 8:56 am to diddydirtyAubie
Ware is a Saban homer becuase he has played golf with him several time at SEC events.
All you have to do is watch College Football Live to confirm.
Ware hates Texas, LSU and other schools because they would not give him a shot at QB.
All you have to do is watch College Football Live to confirm.
Ware hates Texas, LSU and other schools because they would not give him a shot at QB.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 8:57 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:00 am to bamasgot13
I think Coker could potentially take over by midseason. He clearly looked like a guy that isn't familiar with his receivers and is having some issues with the playbook. That's to be expected from a guy that's only been with the team since July.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:02 am to pvilleguru
quote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I think Coker could potentially take over by midseason. He clearly looked like a guy that isn't familiar with his receivers and is having some issues with the playbook. That's to be expected from a guy that's only been with the team since July.
Yall are the gift that keep on giving. Why the hell does Coker take over mid-season. Sims has been damn near perfect and clearly better
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:03 am to Funky Tide 8
quote:Add in the preconceived notion that Sims was going to be terrible before the season even started (based on whatever reason), and you are right.
This is true, and I don't think it is about race. I think it is about Bama fans completely buying into to the Coker hype without any tangible reasons.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 9:04 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:04 am to bamasgot13
Agree
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:08 am to joeyb147
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Add in the preconceived notion that Sims was going to be terrible before the season even started (based on whatever reason), and you are right.
Exactly. People watched the A-day game(a game in which our QBs historically underperform) and decided that he is the worst QB they've ever seen, and that there was no way that he was capable of improving. Then Jimbo and the media hyped up Coker to be the next big thing, even putting on Heisman watch lists(lofl). It put a lot our fanbase into a frenzy in which they can't seem to break away from.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:10 am to Teague
Ware did go a little overboard at times. I don't think Ware is a racist. Jim most certainly is an embarrassing piece of crap.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:11 am to Funky Tide 8
quote:Bingo.
Exactly. People watched the A-day game(a game in which our QBs historically underperform) and decided that he is the worst QB they've ever seen, and that there was no way that he was capable of improving. Then Jimbo and the media hyped up Coker to be the next big thing, even putting on Heisman watch lists(lofl). It put a lot our fanbase into a frenzy in which they can't seem to break away from.
And I'll say that this train of thought isn't limited to Alabama fans. Some Auburn fans threw JJ to the back of the bus and claimed Sean White was the new great backup because of JJ's performance in the spring game. Obviously, that's changed now, but at the time, it was pretty absurd.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:12 am to lsupride87
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Why the hell does Coker take over mid-season. Sims has been damn near perfect and clearly better
Two of his biggest issues were getting the play relayed to the team and timing with the WRs. It only makes sense to believe that he'll be much better at both of those a month from now. Both of those come from repetition. Learning the playbook and practicing with the WRs. He also has a much stronger arm than Sims, which will be useful as we get into the tougher games (LSU, Auburn, etc.). With Sims, you are limited as to how far down the field you can attack.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:15 am to Funky Tide 8
Don't be a frenzy pooper Funk.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:15 am to lsupride87
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Sims has been damn near perfect and clearly better
Sims may very well start the whole season. But, I think a lot of the "other" fans commenting on him haven't watched the games. His STATS look damn near perfect, but he really hasn't been asked to do much at all. He's been a terrible passer since he's been on campus. In the first two games of the season, almost all of his passes have been short bubble screens and dump offs. The crimson glasses wearers and those who want to paint Bama fans as racists for not loving Sims would have us believe all these passes are just because that's what the defense is giving him. We're supposed to overlook the fact that the coaches seem to be working around his inability to throw downfield - the inability some say doesn't exist, despite that being the only evidence we've had for the past 4 years. Suddenly, he has a good arm, we're just not using it. Sure. That doesn't sound naive at all. Spare me your example of his long pass that was dropped. It looked like a punt and would have been intercepted if the DB hadn't been laying on the ground 10 yards away. Jones stood there for 5 seconds waiting on it.
But, none of this is why I started this thread. I don't have a problem with Sims playing, if he's the best QB. And at this point, I think he is. I do think he has some glaring weaknesses though. However, I started this thread about Andre Ware who was absolutely ridiculous in his campaign for Sims before Coker had even set foot on the field. I'm not one who thinks the announcers hate this or that. But, Ware had a glaringly obvious agenda. Anyone who says otherwise, didn't watch, or really wanted to believe everything he said.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:15 am to pvilleguru
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With Sims, you are limited as to how far down the field you can attack.
and with Coker, you are limited to how accurate the ball is thrown. In all of his film at FSU he was inaccurate on short and intermediate throws. The same has been seen so far at Alabama. That will kill drives in Kiffin's offense.
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He's been a terrible passer since he's been on campus.
Stats say otherwise.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 9:17 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:15 am to joeyb147
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Some Auburn fans threw JJ to the back of the bus and claimed Sean White was the new great backup because of JJ's performance in the spring game.
I'll take it a step further with the parallels b/t AU's QB situation and Bama's and say this: in both cases, the backup QB looks to have the higher ceiling but the current starter is the best option for team success right now.
I think Marshall is good, but JJ has the potential to be great.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:17 am to bamasgot13
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I think Marshall is good, but JJ has the potential to be great.
You are just saying that bec Nick is bla...oh wait.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:19 am to Teague
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I didn't watch the Bama game live Saturday because I was in the dove field. But, I watched the replay when I got home, and I couldn't believe how Ware went ON and ON about how great Sims was and how Coker sucked. I assumed he was getting called out on here, but I did a search and couldn't find it.
Even if he was right, and he wasn't on most of the stuff he said, it was TOTALLY unprofessional and he had a clear bias. It was way over the top of what a commentator should be saying. Sims could do no wrong, and Coker could do no right.
Anyway, the guy is fricking terrible even when he's not riding a player's jock. But he's completely unbearable when he has an agenda
Two crackers on SEC Now yesterday also agreed that Sims should be the starter.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:19 am to bamasgot13
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I'll take it a step further with the parallels b/t AU's QB situation and Bama's and say this: in both cases, the backup QB looks to have the higher ceiling but the current starter is the best option for team success right now.
I think Marshall is good, but JJ has the potential to be great.
But JJ looks like he could start now. Our offense would be different and would expose weaknesses in our defense more, but he could start. Coker hasn't looked like that yet. Marshall has been great. He won and SEC title. Played good enough to win an BCS title. What do we expect from these kids?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 9:20 am to parkjas2001
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Two crackers on SEC Now yesterday also agreed that Sims should be the starter.
Not too many people are disagreeing with this.
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