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re: How about this Auburn controversy
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:32 am to jnethe1
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:32 am to jnethe1
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They themselves label that which they are fighting against as being fake. So why waste your time with something that is fake?
Are you suggesting fake ideas can't have real consequences?
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Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:43 am to cajunbama
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I believe in the separation between church and state
Most people do. It's the interpretation of exactly what that means, that has most divided.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:44 am to Teague
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Are you suggesting fake ideas can't have real consequences?
Sure they can...but entertain, just for a moment, that there is a God and see that the fake ideas possibly could come form those that try to squash religion form every area of life. Do you see the danger in that?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:48 am to Korin
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Don't these people have anything better to do in their lives? They tried to stop some metro Atlanta high schools from having graduations in this giant megachurch a couple of years ago (oh the horror).
I personally don't care where graduations are held. I don't care if it's in a muslim mosque.
Would you care if it's in a mosque?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:49 am to DawgsLife
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Sure they can...but entertain, just for a moment, that there is a God and see that the fake ideas possibly could come form those that try to squash religion form every area of life. Do you see the danger in that?
Not really, as long as with the absence of religion comes compassion and respect.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:52 am to DawgsLife
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squash religion form every area of life.
Straw man. Removing religion from publicly funded events is not the same as what you suggest. I, and 95% of atheists and the Freedom From Religion group, think religion is silly and should not be endorsed by any government or publicly funded institution. On the other hand, I, and those others, will defend to my dying breath your right to believe what you want and practice any religion you like as long as it doesn't involve my tax dollars, or the coercion of children into participating at public events.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:54 am to pvilleguru
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I think praying to God before Congress could embolden certain members to vote based on their religious beliefs rather than the best interests of ALL of their constituents.
If true, wouldn't that be a problem the constituency could remedy?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:56 am to jnethe1
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But why have an issue with this? In what way does this cause a problem. They themselves label that which they are fighting against as being fake. So why waste your time with something that is fake?
Do you think Christians would be upset with Muslim prayers in schools?
Yeah most would. Which is silly because Christians believe the Muslim God is fake.
I personally don't care one way or another. I do wish we had more schools trying to get Muslim and other religions on equal footing with Christianity. Just to see the Christians do their hypocrite dance
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:58 am to DawgsLife
quote:Not if more than half of the constituency agrees with it. The problem is that they are supposed to represent everyone in their district/state/etc., not just those that voted for them.
If true, wouldn't that be a problem the constituency could remedy?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:59 am to AU24
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A Wisconsin-based secular group announced Tuesday that it is fighting the religious culture in Auburn University’s football program.
The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) said in a press release that it sent Auburn an open records request in 2014, asking for information related to football chaplain Chette Williams.
The church-and-state watchdog decided to continue its efforts “to stop the unconstitutionally excessive piety in Auburn University’s football program” after a video surfaced of Williams leading the team in prayer before Auburn’s Homecoming game against Southern Mississippi on Sept. 29.
They must really hate the Vols. The Tennessee PA announcer says an opening prayer before the National Anthem at all home games.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 9:04 am
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:59 am to KingOfTheWorld
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The Ring Ceremony
huh?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:15 am to Tennjed
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I personally don't care where graduations are held. I don't care if it's in a muslim mosque.
Would you care if it's in a mosque?
If the majority of their students are Muslim let them go for it. Do you think majority Muslim schools do not do this? Hint, Muslim schools also teach the Quran and other fundamentalist teachings.
Local and national organizations have urged public schools to make accommodations for Muslim students so that they may practice their faith. These accommodations, already implemented to some degree in many states, help practicing Muslims attending public schools meet very real religious needs.
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This article details how Islam will become the 2nd largest religion in the United States in the next 20 years, at the rate it is currently growing, and how public schools are making accomodations to them so they can go to public schools and still practice their religion. meanwhile, organizations such as the "Freedom from Religion" group are letting this occur while fighting Christianity.
Look at some of the things schools are considering, and the only reason these are under consideration is so Muslims can practice their religious teachings in the schools. So much for Separation of Church and State, huh?
More difficult still is the question of whether the state should construct separate, private showers or provide enclosed toilets.
Religious dietary restrictions have led to requests concerning the labeling and preparation of feed. Meeting these requests may raise First Amendment as well as practical questions for some school officials. Schools, especially those with few Muslim students may resist investing the time and money required to make these accommodations. And it is unlikely that the courts will compel school cafeterias to take into account the religious requirements of all students. Nevertheless, some schools do label food and provide a variety of selections in an effort to accommodate the health, dietary, and in some cases, religious needs of their students.
Muslims engage in formal worship or prayer (salah in Arabic) five times daily. Depending upon seasonal time changes and school schedules, one or two of the worship times (midday and afternoon) may fall during typical school hours, and thus some suitable arrangement should be made for students who wish to fulfill this obligation. Teachers should provide Muslim students who are conscientious about observing their prayers with an unused area for a few minutes during lunchtime or afternoon break for this purpose.
So, it is okay for Muslims to hold prayer at school, but Christians cannot. One teacher was fired for giving a Bible to a student who asked for it.
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The student happened to be the last person entering through a door. Mr. Tutka told the youngster, "The first shall be last, but the last shall be first."
The student later inquired on several occasions about the origins of the quote. He showed the student the verse in his Bible, which led to the student asking for a personal copy of the Bible. And being a good Gideon, Mr. Tutka gladly supplied the child with a copy.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:19 am to pvilleguru
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Not really, as long as with the absence of religion comes compassion and respect.
So, if we assume that Christians are correct and want to worship in the way they see fit, there is not a problem with stopping that as long as it is done with compassion and respect?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:21 am to DawgsLife
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So, it is okay for Muslims to hold prayer at school, but Christians cannot
You are comparing an individual student or students praying vs. official, school led prayer.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:21 am to Tennjed
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Do you think Christians would be upset with Muslim prayers in schools?
There already is Muslim prayers in schools. They are allowed in some schools to observe their prayer times.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:23 am to DawgsLife
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So, if we assume that Christians are correct and want to worship in the way they see fit, there is not a problem with stopping that as long as it is done with compassion and respect?
That's not what I said at all.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:23 am to DawgsLife
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If the majority of their students are Muslim let them go for it.
The WHOLE point of freedom of religion is that is does NOT have to be the majority. That's the whole fricking point. That's why the persecuted protestants left England and came to America. Now, you want the same thing, but since your favorite religion is in power, it's ok.
What the Freedom From Religion Foundation wants is for everyone, no matter their religion, or lack thereof, to be in the same boat - practice what you want, but leave it out of publicly-funded events.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 9:25 am
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:24 am to BamaGradinTn
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The church-and-state watchdog decided to continue its efforts “to stop the unconstitutionally excessive piety in Auburn University’s football program” after a video surfaced of Williams leading the team in prayer before Auburn’s Homecoming game against Southern Mississippi on Sept. 29.
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They must really hate the Vols. The Tennessee PA announcer says an opening prayer before the National Anthem at all home games
Saban leads the prayer with his team before games.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:24 am to pvilleguru
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Not if more than half of the constituency agrees with it. The problem is that they are supposed to represent everyone in their district/state/etc., not just those that voted for them.
Your argument was they would be affected how to vote and therefore would not be representing their constituency. if their constituency agrees with their vote, then they would be representing them, would they not?
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The problem is that they are supposed to represent everyone in their district/state/etc., not just those that voted for them.
If their constituency differs on an issue there is no way they can represent all of their constituency. If they do not vote according to the majority of their constituency, then they can be voted out.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 9:26 am to AU24
Unless players are forced to pray, it's absolutely a non issue.
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