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re: Hit on Kelly vs Hurts

Posted on 9/19/16 at 8:47 pm to
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 8:47 pm to
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A QB holding the ball is not defenseless. Sorry. You are quite clearly wrong.
So Hurts saw him coming and totally eluded the 300 lb man coming at him with helmet? Dang - Hurts is tough as nails.
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 8:47 pm to
No they aren't. It is part of playing the position.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 8:51 pm to
quote:


No they aren't. It is part of playing the position


The rules (2-27-14) disagree. QBs mid throw and just after throwing are defenseless. The defenseless player status does not protect them from being hit but it does protect them from being hit above the shoulders.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 8:56 pm
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 8:56 pm to
quote:


So Hurts saw him coming and totally eluded the 300 lb man coming at him with helmet? Dang - Hurts is tough as nails.


Irrelevant in this situation. He was not receiving a blind side block.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32219 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:11 pm to
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Irrelevant in this situation. He was not receiving a blind side block.
Talking about irrelevant. Blind side has nothing to do with the rule.
Posted by PharmacistReb
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2009
5058 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:13 pm to
Yes because Bama never gets the call
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
38374 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:35 pm to
You were crying saying this was targeting

You are such a joke dude.

Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
30865 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:59 pm to
quote:

Chad Kelly Hit


Kelly lowered his own head into the hit as well.

quote:

Jalen Hurts hit


Didn't.

That said, I am not one of the ones that said there should be a flag. OM fans are making me reconsider that.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37247 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:01 pm to
The downvotes should clue you in. Hopefully.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:05 pm to
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You were crying saying this was targeting


"No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below).

Note 1 includes: Lowering the head before attacking, launching, etc.

That's clearly a personal foul and an automatic ejection. The ball carrier in the clip is not defenseless but that is not a requirement of Article 3.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 10:07 pm
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:08 pm to
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Talking about irrelevant. Blind side has nothing to do with the rule


Players receiving a blind side block are defenseless. A hit on the QB is a tackle and not a block.
Posted by TizzyT4theUofA
This side of eternity
Member since Jun 2016
10051 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:15 pm to
quote:

I'm not crying. The TD we had taken off the board was the only issue I had with officiating. That and the game was too damned long. The only thing I have to cry about is our ball security. Which has been poor

It was on CBS they're always too long. They're the worst!!
Posted by harmonics
Mars Hotel
Member since Jan 2010
18615 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:20 pm to
Mad respect for Hurts. Dude got his lights knocked out, shook it off, led his team from 21 down to a victory. True freshman.
Posted by droliver
Member since Nov 2012
971 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:26 pm to
The hit on Hurts was, by definition, a targeting foul.

The hit on Kelly was legal, but should be legislated out of the game as its dangerous to allow these guys to come flying in to "blow up" a ball carrier rather then make a true tackle.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:41 pm to
quote:


The hit on Hurts was, by definition, a targeting foul.

The hit on Kelly was legal, but should be legislated out of the game as its dangerous to allow these guys to come flying in to "blow up" a ball carrier rather then make a true tackle.


Neither player ia defenseless and the hits are near identical in delivery
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:44 pm to
You're seriously arguing that Ruben obliterating LF is targeting, but the hit on Hurts wasn't? Because the Ole Miss player absolutely lowered his head and hit Hurts just as high.
Posted by jimmycrackcorn
Member since Feb 2016
56 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:05 pm to
My $.02. I'm a bama fan and probably in the minority here, but I thought it was clean hit on hurts and a pu55y a$$ call on the crackback that same play/. Y'all keep on this track man, we'll be hanging flags on'em in 10 years. Hell man, it's s physical sport. It's not for everybody. Sometimes people get hurt. But if you make the choice to play, it comes with risks. If you make it totally safe, it's no longer football. It's like soccer using your hands.......I do not want flag football.

PS. The targeting / launching rule has probably more to do with the tackler than the recipient of the hit as far as safety goes.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19679 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:15 pm to
quote:

Neither player ia defenseless and the hits are near identical in delivery
you are dumb as a bag of rocks
Posted by Iron Lion
North of the river
Member since Nov 2014
11801 posts
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:35 pm to
In my opinion neither should have been flagged. Football is football.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:43 am to
quote:

You're seriously arguing that Ruben obliterating LF is targeting, but the hit on Hurts wasn't? Because the Ole Miss player absolutely lowered his head and hit Hurts just as high.


More like they were all bad arse hits and fun as hell to watch.

But Foster attacked with the crown of his helmet. With the hit on Hurts the defender put his facemask under Hurts chin. A small distinction but the rule makes one hit an automatic ejection and the other legal.

Reality is that the rule is to protect the defender more so than the ball carrier.
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