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re: Herbstreit still going at it with FSU fans
Posted on 12/13/23 at 3:55 pm to TeamLSU
Posted on 12/13/23 at 3:55 pm to TeamLSU
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Remind me again how many POWER 5 teams are on that list? Mind you, this is the first time EVER, an undefeated P5 team has been left out.
Not sure why it matters if they're P5 when their SOS is just as bad as those other team's. Says a lot about the ACC doesn't it?
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 3:56 pm to WG_Dawg
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My overall point was that I don't want a committee to be deciding that X player is deemed to have [such and such] value while Y player has [other level] of value.
Even though this benefitted Bama this year, I agree. However, this was in the currently agreed upon criteria whether you and I approve or not. There is a difference in not liking the criteria vs. claiming there is no justification.
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Although I suppose it's not really worth any mental energy at this point considering this is the last year that it matters.
I'm nearing this point too. This topic has been thoroughly discussed on this board. Let's see what next year brings
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:01 pm to WG_Dawg
Your spelling gives me cancer.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:02 pm to WG_Dawg
The Alabama team week 2-3 would never have gotten in, they are a different team, for the better, and proved it by winning out and beating Georgia. The FSU team prior to losing their QB would have been in, they are not the same team now, for the worse, as demonstrated by having 55 total passing yards against Louisville. The idea of taking major injuries that substantially change a team into account is written very specifically into the selection criteria that everybody agreed to.
You don't believe for one second that current FSU could beat anybody in the CFP but want them in anyway. Besides all that, all you had to do was to beat us to get in and now you're just channeling your upset about that into crusading for a handicapped FSU team.
You don't believe for one second that current FSU could beat anybody in the CFP but want them in anyway. Besides all that, all you had to do was to beat us to get in and now you're just channeling your upset about that into crusading for a handicapped FSU team.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:06 pm to ColoradoAg
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FSU was ranked above both Alabama and Texas by this same committee, even after the starting QB went down. ALL YEAR LONG.
This is the crux of the matter, in my opinion. The committee kept kicking the can down the road after the Travis injury, hoping the decision would be made for them via an FSU loss at some point.
When that didn't happen, they had to make the call they SHOULD have made earlier, and it blew up. It was plain to see FSU with Travis was a legitimate contender for the championship ... just as it was plain to see FSU WITHOUT Travis was a vastly different team.
Your comments regarding collusion and the discovery process via a lawsuit are ridiculous. The committee followed their published criteria in selecting the playoff teams. I think most rational football fans understand the thought process behind the decision; the issue is when that decision was made.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:09 pm to tigerskin
I don’t get why people like Herbstreit he’s always been a pussy
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:09 pm to WG_Dawg
I agree with your point. I don’t want the committee to start evaluating players health either. I still believe that this was the public argument they used. Behind closed doors I think they put more stock into winning the SEC than the ACC. Several of the committee members have ACC ties so they do not wanna go out publicly and say the SEC is better at football than the ACC. Travis getting hurt was a convenient excuse.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:13 pm to tigerskin
Herbie the fool voted Oklahoma better than AU in 2004. I called him out on it at an ESPN party in New York for the Hall of Fame Banquet, Not saying AU could have beat USC but would have put a beatdown on Oklahoma like USC did.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:13 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:Ignoring that atrocious spelling of yours, Bama had a better resume than FSU.
That's why I LOVED the committee for 9 years, because even though internet people btiched and complaind they did everythign objectively based solely on resume. Not eye test, not vegas odds, none of that....jsut who's resume was best. That's why it's so hard for people to come to grips with this go around because they did a complete about face.
A much stronger SOS, beat the 2-time defending National Champions who were on a 29-game win streak and headed for a 3-peat and won the championship in the strongest conference in the nation.
No one will ever convince me that the SEC Champion doesn't earn and deserve a spot in the CFP.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:14 pm to Marktastic86
It's funny because if that was Dabo and Clemson, they would be in the playoffs. They basically play the same schedule as FSU. FSU just got shafted.......
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:16 pm to BK785
quote:Yes, this is correct. Just like if Baylor won the B12, they wouldn't be in either. It's all about the money and matchups. Hell, the conferences started it with the B1G effectively killing the P12. Money and matchups are the only thing that matter.
It's funny because if that was Dabo and Clemson, they would be in the playoffs. They basically play the same schedule as FSU. FSU just got shafted.......
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:17 pm to tigerskin
frick FSU. Glad to see them suffer.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:19 pm to ColoradoAg
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FSU earned the right to be in the CFP. They beat everyone on their schedule, including the Heisman winner.
So Liberty was excluded because they didn’t beat the Heismann winner?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:20 pm to ColoradoAg
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Money and matchups are the only thing that matter.
Money didn't seem to matter to the TA&M recruiting class from last year...
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:21 pm to TroyTider
You could make an argument for Liberty, and that is why the CFP was expanded. I would make the argument that it is better to be the big fish in a small pond (ACC, B12) than a member of the SEC or B1G going forward
Unless you just care about money
Unless you just care about money
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:23 pm to ColoradoAg
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FSU earned the right to be in the CFP.
6 replies, and all of them Bammers.
If FSU came from some mid-major conference, I see the issue. They come from the one conference that has won 3 of the last 10 natties, and they did it with 3 different QB’s and a solid defense.
If the argument is just “We know Bama is better and probably the best”, then why is Georgia not in? Do we honestly believe that all the other teams in the CFP and FSU somehow fit in between Bama and Georgia’s 3 point differential?
I’m no FSU fan. Never really liked Bowden until I saw “We Are Marshall”, and the way they tricked us into taking Jimbo is even worse than the evil done by Bama (Franchione) and LSU (Chavis). Taking advantage of the desperate and less fortunate is just mean.
That being said, we always say teams have to take care of business. Bama didn’t. Noles did.
Do I believe Bama would beat FSU? Yup.
I thought the same thing about Texas.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:24 pm to RT1941
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Ignoring that atrocious spelling of yours, Bama had a better resume than FSU.
Big deal. They lost.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:25 pm to WG_Dawg
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resume
FSU’s resume did not stack up to the others.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:26 pm to TeamLSU
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Remind me again how many POWER 5 teams are on that list? Mind you, this is the first time EVER, an undefeated P5 team has been left out.
Why in the fiddlers frick would I care more about Power 5 designation than I do strength of schedule? You’re arguing feelings over facts
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:27 pm to ColoradoAg
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There is no logical reason for an undefeated team to be left out, except that is what the media wanted.
Except for the fact that it's never been a requirement. People have always been the selectors of who should play for championships and done so by using their judgement as to who is the best. We have integrated algorithms into the factor to offset human bias. But it's never been a "oh... You win all your games you are guaranteed a spot". Having that guarantee would ...reward teams like FSU that opted for the easier path( and it's not a subjective argument because they said it out loud)
Vs a ...ark or socar that opted to grind every week. There is no more better proof of this than FSUs own 93 title. Using today's "deserving/won all their games" mantra...FSU wouldn't have that title. But they were deemed to be better than WVU because of their performance in their more difficult season (aka SoS) ..it was that way 30 yrs ago...it's the same way now. The only real difference is a committee vs all ap / poll voters and having 4 teams possibly play vs two
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 6:54 pm
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