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Herbstreit: People are failing to grasp this is a new era

Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:43 pm
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:43 pm
He basically said something that's true, people look at the committee's rankings through the same lens that they did the polls and that's clearly not how it works anymore, so they're confused.

The polls put the biggest emphasis on record first and foremost.

The committee is prioritizing strength of schedule much more than the polls ever did, to the point they have no problem putting teams with 1 loss above undefeated teams (see last year and this year).

Edit: Another thing people need to realize is that these rankings are made from scratch every week. In other words the committee goes through their entire process start to finish every single week. People think in terms of "moving up" and "moving down" but that's the old poll frame of mind. The committee's rankings are arrived at in a much more complicated process than everyone just submitting a ballot. This makes the committee's rankings much more fluid potentially than the polls ever were.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 12:02 am
Posted by FishFearMe
United States
Member since Jul 2015
7196 posts
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:47 pm to
That is good for the SEC.
Posted by harmonics
Mars Hotel
Member since Jan 2010
18615 posts
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:47 pm to
LSU is #2 in the playoff poll, ahead of defending champ Ohio State and all they want to talk about is where Alabama is ranked. It is pathetic.
Posted by Fishhead
Elmendorf, TX
Member since Jan 2008
12170 posts
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:49 pm to
I have no problem with Clemson at #1 and LSU at #2, but explain tOSU at 3 having not a single win over a top 25 team...in THIS poll. Explain Bama with a loss to #18 OM, and their best win is against #19 TAMU. Yet UF is behind them with a win over that same OM team, and it's only loss to their #2 team.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:49 pm to
If that is true how is UF behind TCU, Baylor, Iowa, and ND. Complete BS.
Posted by 2poop
bama
Member since Sep 2009
4562 posts
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:51 pm to
You do not understand the football.

Posted by aspiclark
Member since Jul 2014
3144 posts
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:51 pm to
it's not about comparing the single best win. it's about comparing overall resume and no matter how much you ppl keep ignoring it and insisting otherwise, bama has the same record as uf with a stronger strength of schedule and a stronger strength of record, period.
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 11:52 pm
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83416 posts
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:52 pm to
People just put way too much value on losses. I'm guessing it's because at the time of a loss during the BCS era, you were done until other teams lost and you moved back up the conveyor belt that was the rankings.

I don't like the committee and don't think they get things right, but I like the idea of the process better. Alabama lost to Ole Miss. People are in freak the frick out mode and stuck in the BCS era of "THEY MUST PAY FOR THIS!" When teams lost during the BCS era, it was like the winning team got credit for how they played, and the losing team's half of the game was wiped from the records after their ensuing plummet in the rankings. That's horseshite. Alabama lost. But there is still a ton of of shite to study and take away from that game. Remember when the saying "quality loss" gave people AIDS? That's fricking retarded. I'm not saying Alabama's loss to OM was quality, but there is still a shite ton to take away from it...instead of blindly penalizing them.

Some people say Alabama gave the game away. Some people think the loss means Alabama sucks. It's probably somewhere in the middle of that and the loss doesn't mean Alabama isn't one of the best teams in the country.
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 11:55 pm
Posted by BearBait09
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
2307 posts
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:53 pm to
I personally am grasping it just fine.

I vehemently disagree with the idea that Alabama has proven themselves better than all but 3 teams in the country.

the committee is using competing criteria to justify their rankings depending on the teams they are assessing and it's causing their rankings to have logical conflicts. This is why Jeff Long sounds like a jackass every week during Q/A. His answers conflict with each other because the committee he is speaking for conflicts with itself. They need stricter protocols. For example, I think more emphasis should be placed on winning games then "looking real good" but hey, I'm weird like that.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
32643 posts
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:57 pm to
quote:

The polls put the biggest emphasis on record first and foremost.

The committee is prioritizing strength of schedule much more than the polls ever did, to the point they have no problem putting teams with 1 loss above undefeated teams (see last year and this year).
I don't believe that the committee is going to put greater emphasis on SOS than the BCS did. I'll believe that when a 2 loss SEC West team beats out a 1 loss Ohio State or Notre Dame for the fourth playoff spot.
Posted by Fishhead
Elmendorf, TX
Member since Jan 2008
12170 posts
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:58 pm to
quote:

it's not about comparing the single best win. it's about comparing overall resume and no matter how much you ppl keep ignoring it and insisting otherwise, bama has the same record as uf with a stronger strength of schedule and a stronger strength of record, period.
First of all, I didn't single out one loss Bama, I also pointed to undefeated tOSU that has played nobody. Secondly, you can say all you want about the "good loss", but it's a loss nonetheless, and Bama has no business being ranked ahead of many of the undefeated teams behind them. Period.

Regarding Bama/UF, bottom line...OM beat Bama at their place, UF skull fricked OM at home. Both also share a win against UGA.
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 11:59 pm
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
4043 posts
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:58 pm to
Makes no difference.

It's week to week.

After this week, Bama won't be sniffing top four again.
Posted by aspiclark
Member since Jul 2014
3144 posts
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:00 am to
there are objective metrics that disprove everything that you're saying is the thing, the ones the committee use. Florida isn't ahead of bama in literally any of them. did you mouthbreathers even read the damn poll?
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:01 am to
Alabama has the 3rd ranked SOS. Notre Dame has the 5th.

Alabama lost at home to the 19th ranked team in a game they played like shite.
Notre Dame lost on the road against the #1 ranked team in the country.

Alabama is 5 spots ahead of Florida, despite a similar SOS and Florida having a better loss and a better record against common opponents.


I have no problem with the committee putting a strong emphasis on SOS, among other things. However, Alabama has no business being ranked 4th. It seems the committee is using the eye test to prop up Alabama. They should be about 6th.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 12:03 am
Posted by Fishhead
Elmendorf, TX
Member since Jan 2008
12170 posts
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:02 am to
quote:

ReauxlTide222
I'm not suggesting Alabama shouldn't be in the top 10 or anything, but in the top 4 is a joke. I know a team can still be good with a loss, but the loss shouldn't simply be overlooked as if it didn't happen, because there's plenty of teams who have NOT lost.

Add ND in the joke mix too. Gimme a break.
Posted by aspiclark
Member since Jul 2014
3144 posts
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:04 am to
except Norte dame doesn't have the 5th ranked strength of schedule.
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:04 am to
quote:

I'll believe that when a 2 loss SEC West team beats out a 1 loss Ohio State or Notre Dame for the fourth playoff spot.


One of the criteria is conference championships, and that obviously can't be factored in until the very end.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:06 am to
quote:

the committee is using competing criteria to justify their rankings depending on the teams they are assessing and it's causing their rankings to have logical conflicts.

Exactly this.

The eye test has Alabama 4th. But then they keep Baylor and TCU low because of their shitty SOS, refusing to use the eye test to prop them up. Makes no sense.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83416 posts
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:06 am to
But not losing doesn't mean you're better than a 1 loss team. So being ranked ahead of them might not be a big deal. This is about finding the best teams.

I personally had Alabama around 8 and UF ahead of them. I can see why they're ranked 4th, though. I personally don't think it's warranted until they beat LSU(if they beat them), but I understand why they're there.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:08 am to
quote:

except Norte dame doesn't have the 5th ranked strength of schedule.

just depends on where you look.

Both Alabama and Notre Dame have played very tough schedules. the difference is marginal.
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