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re: "Gus gave LSU the game" myth
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:42 pm to jbrau22
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:42 pm to jbrau22
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When all reality was, they continued the same offensive gameplan
Which is what their complaint really was. Gustav doesn't understand how to make halftime adjustments and it routinely gets them beat.
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:50 pm to randomways
At some point, no matter what play calling changes were made, a team dominates another.
64 yards in 30 minutes of football is imposing the frick out of your will on your opponent, unless you believe there are plays in any coach's playbook designed to go nowhere, and that that's all they called in the second half.
Put it this way, if we allowed 128 total yards and zero points, would you say LSU didn't impose their will on Auburn? Or would you say Auburn just called a game that would generate 128 yards if any team called that same game?
64 yards in 30 minutes of football is imposing the frick out of your will on your opponent, unless you believe there are plays in any coach's playbook designed to go nowhere, and that that's all they called in the second half.
Put it this way, if we allowed 128 total yards and zero points, would you say LSU didn't impose their will on Auburn? Or would you say Auburn just called a game that would generate 128 yards if any team called that same game?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:56 pm to GRTiger
So you are saying LSU did to Auburn in the second half what Bama did to LSU the entire game last year.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:58 pm to GRTiger
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Put it this way, if we allowed 128 total yards and zero points, would you say LSU didn't impose their will on Auburn? Or would you say Auburn just called a game that would generate 128 yards if any team called that same game?
What's the point of this hypothetical? As it stands, it's a straw man meant to imply that my opinion wouldn't change depending on the circumstances. You're just throwing a non-existent situation at the wall and asking loaded questions. I'm not talking about a game where LSU completely dominated a helpless Auburn who failed at everything they could. I'm talking about the actual game played this past Saturday, where Auburn -- Gus, really -- went tits-up in their play-calling and LSU -- I assume Aranda and Canada rather than O -- took advantage of the situation and called a much better game on the back half. That's not imposing your will, that's taking a good look at what's being offered and attacking its weaknesses...one of said weaknesses being that Gus refused to change what he was offering.
I honestly don't know why so many LSU fans are hurt by the suggestion that they succeeded and Auburn failed. Y'all won a close game. It's not like you blew them out 60-0.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:58 pm to cajunbama
Start a thread about 2016 LSU-Bama, and we might entertain your questions.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:02 pm to LSU Patrick
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:03 pm to jbrau22
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When all reality was, they continued the same offensive gameplan that worked so well in the first half. There was no change in philosophy.
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They did not throw slants or use the middle of the field in the second half, no, but neither did they in the first half.
You just described what is the most frustrating aspect of a fan watching Gus coach at Auburn.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:04 pm to randomways
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What's the point of this hypothetical?
The point is allowing 64 yards and 0 points over 35 plays and 30 minutes is imposing your will on whatever game plan your opponent puts in front of you. Unless you believe Auburn intentionally tanked the game in the second half, that is dominating.
Call it defensive adjustments, call it poor play calling and lack of adjustment for Auburn, it's probably all correct on varying levels and contributed to the following fact: LSU imposed their will on Auburn in the second half. There is no argument.
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LSU fans are hurt
Also, this angle is ignorant. Nobody is hurt by your false opinion. We're just calling your opinion false. Coming at it like this is pretty telling of the fact that you are defensive, though. You're the only one who has to go to the "well obviously I hurt your little feelings with my opinion" well.
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:09 pm to GRTiger
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Call it defensive adjustments, call it poor play calling and lack of adjustment for Auburn, it's probably all correct on varying levels and contributed to the following fact: LSU imposed their will on Auburn in the second half. There is no argument.
I called it all those things and people got upset. But clearly there is an argument over whether it qualifies as imposing their will, since I'm arguing, and quite lucidly at that. But it occurs to me that y'all really need this. It's been a hard season, and I don't blame you for looking for any sort of validation in the face of the O. So this discussion is not worth continuing.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:10 pm to GRTiger
I felt that the game was a perfect storm of events for the most part in LSU's favor. People are missing the point on Gus, it's not that he goes conservative but he goes "scared". He coaches not to lose instead of coaching to win. Just rewatch the Clemson, UGA, Bama and OU games to see the exact same thing we saw in second half of LSU. The difference being that LSU is not a very good team and was ready to give in late in the 2nd qtr after giving up 300 yards of offense and a 20 point lead (could have easily been 28-31 point lead). LSU hit a miracle play on their second TD after Daniel Thomas dropped the easiest INT you will ever see. Game over if that play is made even with the abysmal second half. Gus came out and decided we was gonna run up the middle and only throw the ball deep down the sidelines to protect lead and against turnovers which made things easy for LSU who has already adjusted by bringing safety down and letting LBs attack gaps in the run game. This is nothing new if you have watched AU the last 3 years. I was actually more disappointed in the lack of adjustments by Steele as he was way too aggressive on the back end. It was apparent LSU was not going to sustain a drive without hitting big plays and we schemed them in man press over even with Davis and Mathews out and Chark and Gage torched us. This actually would have been a good game to go cover two and back the corners off a bit. Very frustrating because I really feel like AU has a good team this year and coaching is really killing us.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:13 pm to jangalang
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If that makes you sleep better at night.
You really don't think LSu deserves any credit for earning a win Saturday? Really? There were no turnovers by Auburn, not many penalties on either side. LSU simply shut the Auburn offense down for 2.5 quarters.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:15 pm to lsufball19
He is an Auburn fan sporting an Ole Miss logo. It's pretty clear that he lacks any reason or objectivity.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:18 pm to allin2010
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Gus lost the game.. 23 points in the first half, zero in the second.. very predictable.. everyone saw it... LSU took advantage and made some plays. Fire GUS>
Nope.
Called the exact same type of plays first through 4th quarter. LSU just made adjustments and outplayed Auburns players. Stidham looked like garbage, Pettway was put away.
Spin it however you want but from the 2nd quarter on, your team was dominated.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:19 pm to cajunbama
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So you are saying LSU did to Auburn in the second half what Bama did to LSU the entire game last year.
you could definitely say that
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:22 pm to jangalang
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You’re not very perceptive.
Shoo, little boy. Grown ups are talking.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:24 pm to TIGERSPIKE
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I felt that the game was a perfect storm of events for the most part in LSU's favor. People are missing the point on Gus, it's not that he goes conservative but he goes "scared". He coaches not to lose instead of coaching to win. Just rewatch the Clemson, UGA, Bama and OU games to see the exact same thing we saw in second half of LSU. The difference being that LSU is not a very good team and was ready to give in late in the 2nd qtr after giving up 300 yards of offense and a 20 point lead (could have easily been 28-31 point lead). LSU hit a miracle play on their second TD after Daniel Thomas dropped the easiest INT you will ever see. Game over if that play is made even with the abysmal second half. Gus came out and decided we was gonna run up the middle and only throw the ball deep down the sidelines to protect lead and against turnovers which made things easy for LSU who has already adjusted by bringing safety down and letting LBs attack gaps in the run game. This is nothing new if you have watched AU the last 3 years. I was actually more disappointed in the lack of adjustments by Steele as he was way too aggressive on the back end. It was apparent LSU was not going to sustain a drive without hitting big plays and we schemed them in man press over even with Davis and Mathews out and Chark and Gage torched us. This actually would have been a good game to go cover two and back the corners off a bit. Very frustrating because I really feel like AU has a good team this year and coaching is really killing us.
Great response! And I totally agree on the pick dropped right before the half. But that's part of it. We dropped at least 3 picks against you guys as well. That int wouldn't have been there had Gage not tripped and fallen. Our guys made the plays they had to. We gifted you an early fumble, a blown coverage on the bomb for a td shortly after, an amazing play call on the long screen pass on 3rd and 14.
I can understand exactly what you are saying, but it was clear to me that he trusted his run game far more than he trusted Stid to try and throw across the middle on us. And with good reason. Like I said, we should have had 3 picks.
But i get what you are saying about not talking about just this game. Seeing a pattern. We have been there. Good luck getting out from under it!
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:24 pm to cajunbama
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So you are saying LSU did to Auburn in the second half what Bama did to LSU the entire game last year.
Let it go, man. Let it go. It will stop hurting if you will just let it go.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:25 pm to LSU Patrick
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He is an Auburn fan sporting an Ole Miss logo. It's pretty clear that he lacks any reason or objectivity.
About as clear as coach O trying to be an auctioneer.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:30 pm to jangalang
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About as clear as coach O trying to be an auctioneer.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 2:30 pm to jbrau22
Auburn had better players and won up front on both lines of scrimmage. LSU had better coordinators and got the favorable calls. Auburns O-LINE pushed LSU 4 or 5 yards off the ball and GUS would not play action or throw anything intermediate.
Once LSU brought the safety down to stop the run it's like Auburn didn't no how to take advantage of a loaded box.
LSU should be concerned that they can't stop to the run with just 7 and that they actually have to have Canada call a great game in order to get any offensive production. They don't have any push from their offensive line and don't have many players that can win one on one matchups on the outside. Their offense is all scheme and execution. No real talent on that side of ball.
Once LSU brought the safety down to stop the run it's like Auburn didn't no how to take advantage of a loaded box.
LSU should be concerned that they can't stop to the run with just 7 and that they actually have to have Canada call a great game in order to get any offensive production. They don't have any push from their offensive line and don't have many players that can win one on one matchups on the outside. Their offense is all scheme and execution. No real talent on that side of ball.
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