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re: Gregg Marshall reaches deal to stay at Wichita St.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:23 pm to cas4t
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:23 pm to cas4t
The thing about most of these "mid-majors".....basketball is king there. The upper echelon mid-major guys can hold out for a top job. Money aside, bama just is not a top job. IMO, they are going to need to find the best up and comer available.
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:25 pm to MrAUTigers
I don't blame him at all. He's dominating and in the tourney regularly. Having a 64 team tournament makes mid major jobs that pay well more attractive.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:25 pm to MrAUTigers
Just heard the news. Sorry to hear that Bama.
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:26 pm to cas4t
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Having a 64 team tournament makes mid major jobs that pay well more attractive.
Agree.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:28 pm to Dawgsontop34
ESPN is reporting that Marshall feared the Saban's culture of corruption would reach across the athletic department and infect his team.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:31 pm to MrAUTigers
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The thing about most of these "mid-majors".....basketball is king there. The upper echelon mid-major guys can hold out for a top job. Money aside, bama just is not a top job. IMO, they are going to need to find the best up and comer available.
When you're considering a job offer, where does money fall on the scale of things you consider?
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:33 pm to AUbused
speaking of, i haven't heard much this week how saban was going to help draw a good basketball coach.Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:36 pm to the808bass
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When you're considering a job offer, where does money fall on the scale of things you consider?
It would play a factor. I am a southern boy. I wouldn't move to Minnesota for double my salary. That being said......the established mid-major coaches are already multi-millionaires. These guys are on the fast track to getting an elite job.
ETA If you go to bama and don't succeed, you have to start at the bottom of the ladder and try to work your way back up. That is a factor I have not seen you mention one time.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:39 pm to cas4t
He is now a top 20 paid college coach (not basketball coach, just coach). He's the 6th highest paid college basketball coach (according to what I could find, he might be just behind Izzo, which would make him 7th) in the US and the highest paid basketball coach without a National Championship.
So the "mid-major" distinction is largely irrelevant.
So the "mid-major" distinction is largely irrelevant.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:41 pm to MrAUTigers
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ETA If you go to bama and don't succeed, you have to start at the bottom of the ladder and try to work your way back up. That is a factor I have not seen you mention one time.
I can almost guarantee that this played no factor in Marshall's decision. He didn't even consider that he might fail at Bama.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:42 pm to Tiguar
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UAB is paying their bball coach 1m. I bet Marshall wouldn't have turned down 5m. Hint hint.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:46 pm to the808bass
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I can almost guarantee that this played no factor in Marshall's decision. He didn't even consider that he might fail at Bama.
You have no idea what played into his decision. Yes, he got a substantial raise. He also left roughly $1.1 mill. a year on the table and supposedly an infinite recruiting budget and total control of the program.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:50 pm to the808bass
That still does not change the fact that he opted to take less money at a mid major rather than take more money and coach at Alabama.
I see what you're saying, and it has merit, because Wichita St. is a high paying mid major job. But my point still stands.
I don't think so. In my limited memory, most successful mid major coaches have welcomed the challenge of taking a job at a higher profile school.
I see what you're saying, and it has merit, because Wichita St. is a high paying mid major job. But my point still stands.
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So the "mid-major" distinction is largely irrelevant.
I don't think so. In my limited memory, most successful mid major coaches have welcomed the challenge of taking a job at a higher profile school.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:55 pm to the808bass
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When you're considering a job offer, where does money fall on the scale of things you consider?
I know you're not asking me, but I'll respond anyway. It's the first thing I look for in a job. It's certainly not an end-all-be-all, and I wouldn't just take any position that paid more than my current one. But leaving 1.1M on the table is not something I'd be comfortable doing, whether I'm already wealthy or not.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:56 pm to cas4t
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think so. In my limited memory, most successful mid major coaches have welcomed the challenge of taking a job at a higher profile school.
Shaka Smart has turned down major jobs before. But he's being paid like he's at a high profile P5 school. Just like Marshall.
ETA: Few has turned down some major offers as well, reportedly.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:57 pm to cas4t
Salary is only part of these guys' total income. Marshall did what was right for him, no harm there.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:00 pm to the808bass
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He is now a top 20 paid college coach (not basketball coach, just coach). He's the 6th highest paid college basketball coach (according to what I could find, he might be just behind Izzo, which would make him 7th) in the US and the highest paid basketball coach without a National Championship.
So the "mid-major" distinction is largely irrelevant.
Agree. It's not like Alabama got turned down by some nobody mid major guy. He got a 7 year 3.3/year contract to coach at a place where he is a God and can win with 2 star talent. He doesn't have to deal with insane boosters, AAU coaches, or recruiting non stop against Calipari, Donovan, Pearl, etc. I would have stayed for 3.3 million as well.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:01 pm to the808bass
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Shaka Smart has turned down major jobs before. But he's being paid like he's at a high profile P5 school. Just like Marshall.
Shaka Smart's guaranteed salary is $1.45 mill.
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Shaka is just waiting for a top tier program. He is young and he is playing the game the right way. He hasn't just jumped at the first school to up his salary.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:05 pm to MrAUTigers
He made $1.8 with bonuses and incentives last year IIRC.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:11 pm to the808bass
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He made $1.8 with bonuses and incentives last year IIRC.
Well that is far from... "he's being paid like he's at a high profile P5 school". He is holding out for a top tier job. I would bet good money he has turned down significant raises from school's he feels like it would be an uphill battle to coach at.
There are a few coaches at the mid-major level who hold all the cards. Marshall and Smart are two of them. Just off the top of my head, Few is the only other one that I can think of. Few has proven he is happy at Gonzaga. Marshall and Smart have proven that they are looking for an established elite program to take over.
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