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re: Georgia fans - what is your opinion of HC Smart so far?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:31 pm to wdhalgren
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:31 pm to wdhalgren
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Averaged 10 wins per year
What probably should have been said is that we have been an average 9-3 regular season team. Counting bowl games to get your average of 10 is a little silly as those games have come in pretty low quality bowl game matchups most of the last 5 years (would almost be willing to bet we were favored in all of them without going back to look).
To take that a bit further, we've had a nice little run over the last 5 seasons where the divisional strength has not been what it had been historically. 2015's SOS ranked somewhere around 45-50'th in the country. And that's including Bama and Florida which you can barely even say we showed up for. If you discount the games that we lost, the wins just don't look good over most of the last 5 years. That is factual, not imagined. Loved Richt, not trying to justify that anything Kirby has done to this point is drastically better on the field thus far, but it is hard to deny that the team seems to be more mentally ready to stay the course for an entire 60 minutes than what we'd seen over the last couple of seasons. As I said earlier, the jury is still out but so far what we're seeing should be encouraging to most Dawg fans.
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Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:32 pm to DoubleBubbleTrouble
He's a minivan dad.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:33 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Why? We lost two starters and didn't exactly replace them with 5*s.
BReturning 3 starters is probably about average. Losing Theus hurts some, but he didn't play like a 5 star either IMO. Overall, we have more depth/experience and comparable or better talent than most OL's Richt started a season with, including last season. With the supposed upgrade in OL coach, and a lot of TE talent, it should be at least as good as 2015.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:34 pm to Supreme Tiger
Kirby is in over his head
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:36 pm to fibonaccisquared
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we've had a nice little run over the last 5 seasons where the divisional strength has not been what it had been historically.
I'm getting used to this excuse by now. I'm willing to celebrate 8 win seasons in a tougher division too, I guess. But, I'm still not gonna be tooting Smart's horn and saying we would've lost more under Richt.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:38 pm to djsdawg
I'm a Bammer that actually wants Smart to succeed at UGA. I just think he made a mistake, but time will tell. Smart's head coaching career depends on his staff.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:40 pm to wdhalgren
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Like I said, our RB's are not a problem and wouldn't be a problem for any team in college football, and our qb situation should be better than the last two seasons. As for Lambert, he would almost certainly be better than last season, because he's had more time to get comfortable in this offense. If Eason is better than that right now, then our qb situation should be improved. If our offense doesn't turn out significantly better than the last two years (despite having Todd Gurley for 5 1/2 games in 2014), it's a coaching problem IMO.
Can you read? Schottenheimer is not at Georgia anymore and Chaney's ideas on offense are different than his. Its a different offense. Both guys came in at square one.
If Lambert is as good as Mason, he'd be starting. He's not even Mason. He is not even an average game manager. He's barely better than Joe Terenshinski III.
And again, you're totally forgetting Mark Richt's previous history with QBs outside of 2014. Outside of 2014, which is a total exception due to the RBs, when he's had an average QB or a young and inexperienced one (Shockley doesn't really count), he hasn't had good seasons! Its total revisionist history to say he has. Just look back at 2001, 2006, 2009, 2010...
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:42 pm to wdhalgren
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Losing Theus hurts some, but he didn't play like a 5 star either IMO.
He rarely ever gave up a sack, which is why he was 1st team All-SEC, and he is on a NFL roster. Richt left us without a legit replacement.
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Overall, we have more depth/experience and comparable or better talent than most OL's Richt started a season with, including last season.
If this were true, Catalina would be in Rhode Island, Galliard would be on the bench, and Pyke would be at RG.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:44 pm to wdhalgren
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I'm getting used to this excuse by now.
Then you don't know the meaning of that word.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:45 pm to wdhalgren
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I'm just not going to excuse substandard coaching for the sake of feel good groupthink.
It is his first 3 games as a head coach in a new program.......
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:47 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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I just think he made a mistake
Yeah big mistake to take a head coaching job that doubles his salary.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:49 pm to wdhalgren
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BReturning 3 starters is probably about average. Losing Theus hurts some, but he didn't play like a 5 star either IMO. Overall, we have more depth/experience and comparable or better talent than most OL's Richt started a season with, including last season.
We don't have an SEC tackle on the roster. Losing Theus hurts a ton given that fact. He's on an NFL roster. He's certainly way more talented and experienced than Catalina is.
UGA is woefully undersized and only has three OL that had really played any meaningful snaps at this level.
UGA's OL last season returned 4 starters, if you're trying to make that comparison.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:50 pm to fibonaccisquared
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2015's SOS ranked somewhere around 45-50'th in the country. And that's including Bama and Florida
Hilarous,so you cherry pick '15 to illustrate the last 5 years?So why don't we use '14? 14th ranked SOS and 4-1 vs ranked teams.
How bout if we go back to the injury riddled 2013 season?We beat the #4 and #12 ranked teams and if not for the freakin miracle we beat the #2 ranked team.
I agree that he had to go,especially after what happened in Jax the last 2 years and some dubious recruiting but lets not act like 2015 was a microcosm of his time here.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:52 pm to SECFan1995
I'm not forgetting anything. I'm saying Richt won 10 the last two seasons (or would've if he'd stayed for the bowl game) with qb situations that were probably worse than we have this year, or at least as good. Mason rarely threw more than 10 yards past the LOS (I went back and looked a while ago. I believe Lambert could do the same this year, just like he did against USCe in 2015, assuming our coaches can arrange a blocking scheme that affords half decent protection.
I'm aware Schottenheimer's gone, so we should be doing so much better now; is that your point? Well, I'm saying I haven't seen the big improvement. If we're suffering because of Eason's inexperience, then play Lambert. He'll be better than last year in all likelihood and we supposedly have better coaching/playcalling to boot.
Problem is, right now we don't have consistent running or passing through three games. Like I said, not impressed so far. If you think it's a big upgrade, I hope you're right and time will tell. Just don't try to convince me into seeing something that's not there.
I'm aware Schottenheimer's gone, so we should be doing so much better now; is that your point? Well, I'm saying I haven't seen the big improvement. If we're suffering because of Eason's inexperience, then play Lambert. He'll be better than last year in all likelihood and we supposedly have better coaching/playcalling to boot.
Problem is, right now we don't have consistent running or passing through three games. Like I said, not impressed so far. If you think it's a big upgrade, I hope you're right and time will tell. Just don't try to convince me into seeing something that's not there.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:54 pm to TechDawgs
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Yeah big mistake to take a head coaching job that doubles his salary.
Either ...
1- You didn't read the previous post when we were talking about the O.C.
or
2- You're a moron.
edit: Check that. The next statement even said his job depended on his staff. That leaves moron.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:54 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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I just think he made a mistake
Jury's still out for me. I just hope Chaney has a short leash. I think there's value to getting a guy with a ton of experience when Smart's history has been almost entirely on the defensive side of the ball. Additionally, as opposed to getting a young guy, Chaney's unlikely to bounce and leave the program high and dry, so the likely continuity there is a plus so long as things are moving in the right direction. I do get a little nervous when I see/hear him being so hands on with the defense but I don't feel like he's trying to "absorb" offensive knowledge from the guys he has... maybe he is and we just don't see/hear about it, but since Fall camp started he's been pretty concentrated on the defense from what we've seen/heard.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:57 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I do get a little nervous when I see/hear him being so hands on with the defense but I don't feel like he's trying to "absorb" offensive knowledge from the guys he has... maybe he is and we just don't see/hear about it, but since Fall camp started he's
But Smart was with Saban a long time, and Saban is absolutely coaching defense.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 3:00 pm to wdhalgren
As I said, if you start Lambert, you're kissing the hardest three games on the schedule goodbye automatically no matter what. It may be the same in both cases but I know it is with Lambert. He can't win you a game against a good or better team. He won't lose it, but he won't win it for you.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 9/23/16 at 3:04 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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But Smart was with Saban a long time, and Saban is absolutely coaching defense.
Fair enough. I don't keep up with Bama enough to know how involved Saban gets with the offensive side of the ball, or if there was any difference between early years and later years in that regard either. Ultimately, I trust that the guys seems to have a pretty good handle on what he's doing, so will see how it goes.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 3:07 pm to SECFan1995
Don't get me wrong. I don't care who starts at quarterback. Play whoever the coaches think is best and I'm fine with that. My only point is that whether it's Lambert or Eason, we should have better qb play than last year. Our RB's should be as good as 2015, better than the last half of 2015. Our TE's should be better. Our OL should be just as good, or maybe better IMO, even with the loss of Theus. Receivers lost one good one, but still have plenty of talent and McKenzie and Godwin are stepping up.
Given all that, if our new coaches are supposedly better than Richt/Schottenheimer, then this offense should start clicking soon. When they do, I'll say so. As of right now, I haven't seen it.
Given all that, if our new coaches are supposedly better than Richt/Schottenheimer, then this offense should start clicking soon. When they do, I'll say so. As of right now, I haven't seen it.
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