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re: Frick it I'm done. NIL, stupid new football rules, "respeck my decision"...it all sucks
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:56 am to wareaglepete
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:56 am to wareaglepete
The only way it can work is to treat players like we do coaches. Give them contracts with buyouts. They can leave if they want and the other school pays the buyout. Recruits coming in will have to sign one with a buyout attached before they even know what's coming for them the next season. It has to be tougher for schools to grab players from other teams and if they do it will cost them more of their NIL fund. Cost them enough that if they want to go that route then it would cost more than just buying a new recruit.
Paying players isn't going away and so all they can do is make rules around it. It will end up with NFL level rules to control contracts with a draft. It would have been so much better had they just took the funds and split it between the scholarship players evenly. Having a highly paid player not produce as well as another or players feel they don't deserve so much compared to them will just cause a locker room divide in the team.
Paying players isn't going away and so all they can do is make rules around it. It will end up with NFL level rules to control contracts with a draft. It would have been so much better had they just took the funds and split it between the scholarship players evenly. Having a highly paid player not produce as well as another or players feel they don't deserve so much compared to them will just cause a locker room divide in the team.
This post was edited on 3/27/24 at 10:27 am
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:20 am to Rabern57
Yep, we need player contracts. This is the NFL with no contracts and no rules of any sort
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:23 am to ColoradoAg
Contracts would be good. But, you have to get every school on the same page with it. Right now, schools paying players is still an NCAA violation. So, lots and lots would have to change.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:26 am to wareaglepete
Like the contract idea as well. Would bring a bit more contractually obligated loyalty and stability on rosters.
I'm also tired of people telling me they're boycotting college football. Don't be a fricking idiot. You're not going anywhere so stop saying so.
I'm also tired of people telling me they're boycotting college football. Don't be a fricking idiot. You're not going anywhere so stop saying so.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:37 am to wareaglepete
quote:The NCAA has just about lost all control of anything. They are to a point of doing what the large conferences and TV companies tell them to.
Contracts would be good. But, you have to get every school on the same page with it. Right now, schools paying players is still an NCAA violation. So, lots and lots would have to change.
As for the schools, the larger conferences will control rules and the small ones will either jump on board or possibly face being left behind in their own division. Right now the SEC and Big10 run everything.
This post was edited on 3/27/24 at 10:38 am
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:37 am to MrLahey
Contracts are a moot point.
Courts said schools can’t restrict players from selling their NIL. Why would any player sign any meaningful contract when more money will always be flowing to the unrestricted NIL landscape?
Courts said schools can’t restrict players from selling their NIL. Why would any player sign any meaningful contract when more money will always be flowing to the unrestricted NIL landscape?
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:39 am to Dallaswho
quote:Larger conferences can make rules to remove players that don't follow their rules and a player isn't going to make any NIL money if they aren't on a team. Courts can't force a school to allow a player to be on their team and play them.
Courts said schools can’t restrict players from selling their NIL. Why would any player sign any meaningful contract when more money will always be flowing to the unrestricted NIL landscape?
This post was edited on 3/27/24 at 10:41 am
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:51 am to djsdawg
quote:Even downtrodden FSU has a better football tradition than Georgia.
This puts you with another non-SEC team like FSU. Thanks for proving my point.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:06 am to ColoradoAg
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It never should have gotten to this point. The NCAA and the conferences should have come up with a CBA to compensate the players. They deserved compensation but this is a complete shite show.
A player can transfer at any time without having to sit, and it is a travesty to watch. The majority of players are now mercenaries, with many incoming recruits requiring money just to visit a school. Never mind recruiting your existing team every year as well.
This April is going to be nuts. When the portal opens it's going to be pandemonium. Everyone's going to hate it, and my hope is it will cause change for the better.
Like Kirby said, he just wants to know who the hell he's coaching going into spring for the calendar year. If he could just have that he'd be a lot more satisfied. Having to recruit players on your team and from other teams after spring ball is ridiculous.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:09 am to FootballFrenzy
A stipend, a cut of merch sales with their name/number, autographs, etc.
Like when AJ Green was suspended for selling a signed jersey.
The traditional era has been gone for a few years. It would take severe restructuring, but it’ll never go back to what it was before.
Like when AJ Green was suspended for selling a signed jersey.
The traditional era has been gone for a few years. It would take severe restructuring, but it’ll never go back to what it was before.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:10 am to Rabern57
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They are to a point of doing what the large conferences and TV companies tell them to.
TV execs run every sports league and have for a long time.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:23 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Wasn't Bama doing NIL since 2005? lol, every recruit was driving a range rover and charger on campus. Now everyone can do it and it's somehow unfair.
The portal seems to be the real issue. Players shouldn't be able to play for 4 schools in 4 years and just sell to the highest bidder every year. I have no problem giving them money but make them sign a 1/2/3/4 year contract and if they leave, then only give them half the money and hold it in escrow until they fullfill their contract. They just didn't have any measures in place and the boosters ran wild with it ha.
The portal seems to be the real issue. Players shouldn't be able to play for 4 schools in 4 years and just sell to the highest bidder every year. I have no problem giving them money but make them sign a 1/2/3/4 year contract and if they leave, then only give them half the money and hold it in escrow until they fullfill their contract. They just didn't have any measures in place and the boosters ran wild with it ha.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:38 am to Bird_Hunter
The money is going to happen, people just need to get over that.
The Wild West transfer portal is the problem, but the thing that is still going to piss people off is that fixing it will have to involve some type of mutually acceptable arrangement between the schools and the players where the players willingly give up some freedom of movement in return for the schools giving them something. That is the only way it would get through the courts.
Too many people still want for dictatorial coaches to dictate how it’s going to be to players, period, as in the past, and that ship has sailed and ain’t never going to come back into port even if some fans tune out (they’re betting most won’t and that the ones who do will be replaced by others with a more enlightened way of looking at things) and some coaches who can’t deal with that take their clipboards and go home.
This isn’t a pure sport and it hasn’t been for generations, and the house of cards has collapsed. It’s a billion dollar business.
The Wild West transfer portal is the problem, but the thing that is still going to piss people off is that fixing it will have to involve some type of mutually acceptable arrangement between the schools and the players where the players willingly give up some freedom of movement in return for the schools giving them something. That is the only way it would get through the courts.
Too many people still want for dictatorial coaches to dictate how it’s going to be to players, period, as in the past, and that ship has sailed and ain’t never going to come back into port even if some fans tune out (they’re betting most won’t and that the ones who do will be replaced by others with a more enlightened way of looking at things) and some coaches who can’t deal with that take their clipboards and go home.
This isn’t a pure sport and it hasn’t been for generations, and the house of cards has collapsed. It’s a billion dollar business.
This post was edited on 3/27/24 at 11:39 am
Posted on 3/27/24 at 12:49 pm to MurphyGator
One of the Walton grand kids just spends money on bike trails in Northwest Arkansas.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 12:59 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
He knows he isn't going to make it.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 1:30 pm to BuckI
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Multiple CFP appearances
hang the banners? talk about lil bro behavior
Posted on 3/27/24 at 1:48 pm to Rabern57
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Larger conferences can make rules to remove players that don't follow their rules and a player isn't going to make any NIL money if they aren't on a team. Courts can't force a school to allow a player to be on their team and play them
If they do that they’ll end up in court and most likely lose.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 5:16 pm to 3down10
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The solution is pretty simple and was already in the rules to start with, just not enforced for some reason.
You can't restrict the players, but you can restrict the schools and boosters. If you restrict the schools and booster, you remove the pay for play element, and still allow them to sign any legitimate NIL deals.
Tell schools the collectives have to end immediately, give a set date, and start treating anything further as a violation. Come out swinging and SMU the frick outta whoever dares cross the line first.
No lawsuit can win against that because the restriction is not on the player. The only thing that the NCAA would face is schools leaving the organization. And if that is what the schools want, then frick em anyway.
This would be either collusion or price fixing and is also illegal and would be sued into oblivion before it got off the ground.
The NCAA has no choice but to make players employees as I see it if they want to fix the mess that they themselves created.
price fixing.
Generally, the antitrust laws require that each company establish prices and other competitive terms on its own, without agreeing with a competitor. When purchasers make choices about what products and services to buy, they expect that the price has been determined on the basis of supply and demand, not by an agreement among competitors. When competitors agree to restrict competition, the result is often higher prices. Price fixing also includes agreements among competing purchasers or competing employers about the prices or wages they will pay. Price fixing is a major concern of government antitrust enforcement.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 5:25 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Walmart money not working out for Razorback NIL?
Walmart is too busy looking into adding litter boxes in the bathrooms.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 5:36 pm to Nitro Express
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Like Kirby said, he just wants to know who the hell he's coaching going into spring for the calendar year.
How many players have wondered who’s going to coach them when head coaches, coordinators, and position coaches (or the whole staff) have left to chase another dollar.
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Having to recruit players on your team and from other teams after spring ball is ridiculous.
Coaches making $10,000,000 a year to coach an amateur sport is ridiculous.
I have zero sympathy for college coaches when it comes to NIL and the portal. Their greedy asses have chased money their entire careers.
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