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re: Explain to me why anyone would want Va. Tech over UVA

Posted on 6/27/15 at 3:55 pm to
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 3:55 pm to
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Clemson went undefeated in 1981 in football.


You are correct. Beating UGA in Taterland 13-3 was their 1 quality in a entire season. The week before they beat Tulane 13-5, TULANE!

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I don't know if a trophy was presented to them or not.


Let me help you out, the correct answer is no, as the NCAA does not present Natty trophies for MNC's. That is why they are called Mythical NC's

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Not sure about it and don't care


Nice dodge, correct answer there is 0 LINK
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:21 pm to
Ok, well Clemson finished no. 1 in country in both polls in 81 in football. sounds like a real natty to me. lol

I was wrong about baseball. I don't follow it but thought I had read the coach who was fired had one a natty. I know they were in world series several times under him and Clemson has been one of the best programs in baseball. To me, watching baseball is like watching grass grow.

they beat an undefeated Nebraska team in the Orange Bowl. Nebraska! And that defeat of UGA was UGA's only lost in 3 years.

Tulane used to have a decent football program, before the powers that be in Lousiana decided to end it so that LSU could have a monopoly on in state talent.
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 4:25 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:38 pm to
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Clemson finished no. 1 in country in both polls


Fridge was on that team. His roommate was related to a W&L guy I knew. That guy was the nails and who does not like a funny fat guy?

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I was wrong about baseball.


Yes you were but admitting it was a good thing, props to that.

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they beat an undefeated Nebraska team in the Orange Bowl.


Pretty sure that was the year Nebraska lost to Iowa and Penn State. If it was the BCS they would have played SMU maybe? SMU only loss was to Utx by 2 points @ Utx and they spanked the Hogs by several TD's @ Arkansas. In the current format they would have at least made the playoffs.

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Tulane used to have a decent football program, before the powers that be in Lousiana decided to end it


Pretty sure Bernie going to the Gophers put the nails in Tulane, not sure if LSU had anything to do with Bernie leaving.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 5:48 pm to
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Ok, well Clemson finished no. 1 in country in both polls in 81 in football. sounds like a real natty to me. lol



As much as I tend to agree with Cheese Grits on lots of things, I'm going to offer a 'seconded' here. I regard that Clemson team as a national champion. We can't control how good the rest of the conference is, but we can control winning every game.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 6:33 pm to
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I tend to agree with Cheese Grits on lots of things


We are not in disagreement here, I just asked the Clemson guy about it being a NCAA trophy Natty, which it is not. He at least fessed up to Clemson not winning a CWS.

It is an easy way to get free drinks at a bar. Bet a guy his team has an NCAA trophy for CFB Natty (make sure of course it is not a lower division where the NCAA does give the trophy) and they will say they have. Works best when their team has 1 and it was awhile ago. Worked really well with Syracuse fans awhile back when they were in town for a basketball game.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 7:00 pm to
Can we get back to saying nice things about UVa
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 7:50 pm to
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Can we get back to saying nice things about UVa


Congrats on the Cap One Cup!


Everybody knows the Hoos had it just advancing and winning the CWS was overkill from a points standpoint. What I do not get is why Cap One is holding up their final standings. usually they release within hours of the Directors Cup but for some reason they are stalling.
Posted by GeauxToBed
Covington, LA
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 7:53 pm to
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before the powers that be in Lousiana decided to end it

Um... As an LSU and Tulane alum, wtf at you babbling about?

Tulane isn't even a state school. It's as private as Vanderbilt.
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:30 pm to
I know that but u never thought it odd Tulane just all of a sudden quit football? I think LSu used state government to intimidate Tulane to get out of the game, horse head in the school president's bed type of thing
Posted by GeauxToBed
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Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:35 pm to
They couldn't afford to hold onto Bowden & Rich Rod. If you're going back farther than '98, back in the 50's, 60's and 70's, lots of schools with enrollment figures in the sub-7,000 range fielded good football teams. Today, not so much.

It's not so much a Tulane thing as it is a generational thing and the way the college game evolved.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:41 pm to
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I know that but u never thought it odd Tulane just all of a sudden quit football?


They did not just quit football. Chicago was more of a just quit thing and you would have to be an idiot to say that UC made the wrong decision. The Maroons are sitting on an endowment of about 8 Billion and an academic ranking in the Top 10 in the world. Sure Stagg invented most of what has become american football and he is enshrined in both the football HoF and the basketball HoF but in the end academics were way more valuable than sports.
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:45 pm to
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Can we get back to saying nice things about UVa

Their fans in the state actually root for sports other than football, instead of turning into Duke or UNC fans for basketball. Unlike a certain school on 81.
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:51 pm to
Clemson has good fan support in all sports. I liked going to the basketball games more than the football games when I was a student in late 90's, but we may have actually been better in basketball during those years, Rick Barnes era, than we were in football under Tommy West.

I don't like baseball personally but lot of fan support for the baseball team. The soccer team probably has more support than most college teams do.

UVA football fandom is pretty weak.

If UVA and UNC went to SEC , pretty soon SEC would be viewed as a basketball school conference. lol that is the kiss of death for football recruiting.
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 8:56 pm
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:38 pm to
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that is the kiss of death for football recruiting.

You wish. Football recruiting wouldn't suffer. We would just become one of the top basketball leagues.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:50 pm to
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If UVA and UNC went to SEC , pretty soon SEC would be viewed as a basketball school conference.


You do realize the SEC women dominate Final Four appearances since it started? It is already a W basketball conference.

SEC men have at least 3 schools with NC's in M basketball and about half the conference (prior to MU and TAMU) have a trip to the Final Four under their belt. Pretty sure it is already a basketball conference.
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 6/28/15 at 8:21 am to
not again with the women's basketball
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/28/15 at 1:19 pm to
As a Virginia Tech Alumni (Grad School), I would prefer they stay out of the SEC. Not wanting a conflict of interest lol.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/28/15 at 1:52 pm to
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not again with the women's basketball


You made a point, I just suggested a counterpoint

In modern realignment, conference networks now need lie programming 24 / 7 / 365. Sure football pays most of the bills but the other sports (both men and women) fill the airspace. If you do not yet understand this, perhaps it is why Clemson is falling behind South Carolina. Your loss is their gain, so good for you.
Posted by 1loyalbamafan
alabama
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 6/28/15 at 3:05 pm to
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So tell me, why would we add Va. Tech instead of UVA?


I didn't read any posts in this thread. UVA is one of the most beautiful Universities in the country.

It's gotta just be about the perception VaTech is better athletic competition.

I think UVA could be on the level of USCe and I mean that in a good way. Clemson has had their hands full ever since USC joined the SEC and dedicated themselves to competing athletically at the highest level. They always had fan support. Clemson was just more invested in their athletic dominance, which has all but evaporated over USC.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/28/15 at 7:10 pm to
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I think UVA could be on the level of USCe and I mean that in a good way.


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