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re: Explain to me why anyone would want Va. Tech over UVA
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:07 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:07 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:15 pm to bayou2003
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VT= rabid fans,
So rabid, that as soon as football season ends, they become Duke or UNC fans.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:17 pm to Henry Jones Jr
I'd love UVA I just don't think they'd associate with us when we still have schools like Ole Miss and Arkansas.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:19 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Because CBS shows teams carrying an American Flag onto the field during their pregame intro, and since no teams in the SEC actually do this, we need to add VT to the roster, because they do.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:23 pm to Henry Jones Jr
UVA is the obvious choice over VPI for many reasons. The problem is that UVA doesn't want the SEC.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:25 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Explain to me why anyone would think an ACC team would leave? The ACC isn't going anywhere. If any conference is going to further deplete, it will be the AAC or Big12.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:26 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Anytime I see an expansion thread, people always say to add tamu. Why is that? tamu is no longer a power in football, they suck at men's/women's basketball and baseball. They're also not even the flagship university of the state of Texas.
UT on the other hand has more money, is average in football, VERY solid at basketball and has one of the best baseball programs in the nation. They are also far more marketable
FIFY.
To answer your question, I have no idea. Maybe its kind of like picking up a chick in the bar that isn't as good looking as her friends. You know they are so desperate and have an inferiority complex that they'll say yes.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:26 pm to Pettifogger
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I'd love UVA I just don't think they'd associate with us when we still have schools like Ole Miss and Arkansas.
They are in the same conference as Florida State...
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:27 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Part of SEC dominance is keeping the Big 12 and ACC marginalized. Side from the American, we are the only conference that spans from Florida to Texas.
I don't think the ACC would survive if we took UVA. If we take NC State and Virginia Tech, it would survive.
If the ACC folds, you're looking at the Big 12 or ACC getting much stronger from the fallout.
I don't think the ACC would survive if we took UVA. If we take NC State and Virginia Tech, it would survive.
If the ACC folds, you're looking at the Big 12 or ACC getting much stronger from the fallout.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:29 pm to WhitewaterDawg
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You just want more wine and cheese at your tailgate.
Don't forget...
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:29 pm to Crowknowsbest
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The problem is that UVA doesn't want the SEC.
I know some 5th generation UVA alumni who write checks that say different.
UVA is happy in the ACC. SEC will keep the ACC as it is. It is not a question of if they want it but more a statement that it will not happen.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:30 pm to Henry Jones Jr
I'm sure if they were available the vast majority of people would want UVA and UNC. It seems extremely unlikely either would leave the ACC and if they do its prob to the B1G.
That makes VPI and NCSt the next best two options.
The other thing you must take into consideration is that the ACC is damn near completely controlled by ESPN. There is no way in hell ESPN is going blow up the ACC to increase the worth of the SEC. They are going to want to keep that shite together. VPI and NCSt are the two schools the SEC could take w/o essentially killing the ACC.
That makes VPI and NCSt the next best two options.
The other thing you must take into consideration is that the ACC is damn near completely controlled by ESPN. There is no way in hell ESPN is going blow up the ACC to increase the worth of the SEC. They are going to want to keep that shite together. VPI and NCSt are the two schools the SEC could take w/o essentially killing the ACC.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:31 pm to TeLeFaWx
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If we take NC State and Virginia Tech, it would survive.
I disagree strongly
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:31 pm to Cheese Grits
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I know some 5th generation UVA alumni who write checks that say different.
So do I. They'd rather be in the B1G if it came down to it.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:34 pm to Cheese Grits
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I disagree strongly
ESPN is about to set up an ACC Network. It's going to happen to prevent any schools from defecting to the B1G.
Losing VPI and NCSt would not really harm the ACCN footprint cable/sat subs thus losing those two would not really harm the conference.
in fact, they would probably get replaced pretty damn quick w/2 from UConn, Memphis, and Cincy. (barring the Big12 snagging them first of course)
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:34 pm to MSUbulldogs03
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Explain to me why anyone would think an ACC team would leave?
They won't for a decade thanks to the ACC GOR. When that expires I could see NC ST or VPI leaving for the SEC to get:
1. Out of the shadow of their big brother
2. About $10+ million extra a year in TV money
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I disagree strongly
Depends on what ND did. If the SEC takes two teams from the ACC, but the ACC backfills with ND and Navy let's say, then the ACC survives.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:37 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:ACC network is on the way.
2. About $10+ million extra a year in TV money
Maryland left the ACC, but it wasn't all about money. They felt disrespected because they were basically considered an after thought after the addition of Pitt, Cuse, and Louisville.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:39 pm to TeLeFaWx
quote:A conference with Duke, UNC, Cuse, Louisville, FSU, Miami, and Georgia Tech wouldn't survive?
I don't think the ACC would survive if we took UVA.
I love the SEC and think it's the best conference, but there is some serious delusion when it comes to talking about conferences.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:44 pm to Dr RC
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ESPN is about to set up an ACC Network. It's going to happen to prevent any schools from defecting to the B1G.
The ACC Network would give the teams exposure but it won't bring a ton of extra money. Unlike the SEC the ACC sold their Tier 3 rights with their Tier 1 and 2 rights. They sold EVERYTHING they could to get the per-team number up during realignment for stability.
ESPN might be willing to take this Tier 3 property (that they already own) and put it in a network to maximize their value, but that won't help close the gap between what SEC teams will make and what ACC teams will make on TV. And it might be not worth doing for ESPN.
The ACC is kinda screwed when it comes to making money off of Tier 3. The problem is Raycom. Raycom traditionally broadcasted the Tier 3 games, and when the ACC sold these to ESPN part of the deal was that ESPN would allow Raycom to sublease some of this content so that the tradition could stay alive. It is suspected the ACC pushed for this because John Swofford's son is connected to Raycom.
Anyway because of that if the ACC Network was ever to exist ESPN would have to buy out that Raycom contract just like the SEC bought out UF's rights from the Sunshine Network to start the SECN. This adds an extra expense to the start of the ACC Network, and cuts into any windfall that ESPN might get from the network.
With all of that said, ESPN has been known to overpay for content in order to have stability. That is what the Longhorn Network is. So I could see them paying extra to the ACC if a ACC Network is successful (even though contractually they own all the content anyway and don't need to pay a dime more) just to keep the ACC together. But it won't be SEC Network money. Maybe, just maybe in ten years they will crack $30 million per team per year (just when the SEC teams crack $40 mil).
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:48 pm to MSUbulldogs03
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ACC network is on the way.
Read my post above. The ACC already sold their Tier 3 rights to ESPN. They can't get the same network windfall that the B1G or the SEC is getting.
I can see this being a cause for ACC instability going forward. John Swofford agreed to a bad media deal, like Slive did in 2009.
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Maryland left the ACC, but it wasn't all about money
Actually it was. It was all about the money. They got new leadership who was shown the B1G teams would make $30+ million a year per team (compared to the $20-ish million the ACC makes) and they went for it:
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And while insisting that the Big Ten is a good fit for Maryland academically, Loh and Kirwan both acknowledged that finances were a major factor here, and in citing future financial stability of athletics before all other reasons why the university changed conferences, Loh framed the increased revenue Maryland will reap from the deal as a life-saving cash infusion into a withering athletics program.
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It was all about the money.
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