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re: Explain the Harsin comparisons to DeBoer with logic.

Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:39 pm to
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:39 pm to
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Im it total agreement with you on the fact that Harsin is and was a complete inept idiot. You're preaching to the choir dude Lol You're also correct about not NEEDING a coach with southern ties, BUT it would be optimal. This guy is from North Dakota and has little clue how utterly insane EVERY SEC fanbase is. If you are going to replace the Legend of all legends in a state with the MOST intensely obsessed group of fans, you don't need a guy who is unfamiliar with the landscape. You keep trying to argue with Auburn fans about us being dumb enough to hire Harsin, but our point is that YOU were dumb enough to hire a guy with several of his weaknesses. What part of that isn't getting through. Harsin sucks and we know dudelololol


Harsin was a shitty coach before he was hired, and he remained a shitty coach at Auburn. DeBoer is a great coach, and he will remain a great coach at Alabama.

As for SEC ties, that's about recruiting. We will see. Who was the last guy who didn't recruit well at Alabama?
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22760 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:41 pm to
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Are you claiming Texas was elite?

They had an absolutely tragic pass defense which is a perfect matchup for DeBoer.



No, Texas had elite talent. He beat Texas by coaching up less talented players.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52981 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:43 pm to
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No, Texas had elite talent. He beat Texas by coaching up less talented players.


No doubt, matchups matter.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17324 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:49 pm to
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3down10
i argued with you about Harsin quite a lot in the early going, and i’m not ashamed to admit you were 100% correct about him and i was 100% wrong, so you will always have the benefit of the doubt from me.

however, saying something totally unproven like this
quote:

DeBoer is a great coach, and he will remain a great coach at Alabama.
causes me to reconsider.

DeBoer may be a great coach, but all we know for sure at this point is he’s a good coach who caught lightning in a bottle with a Heisman candidate at QB playing in a conference that was in the process of self-destructing.

and to emphatically state that he will “continue to be great” at Bama is wishcasting.

i feel like he’s a very good HC who came into a situation unlike any he’s ever imagined, without any clear plan for taking on the job, without the complete confidence of the people who hired him, and with the GOAT ex-HC keeping an eye on him from his “office in the stadium”.

no matter how lofty your expectations, that is in no way a recipe for success.

i guess time will tell.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:59 pm to
You sound worried
Posted by Foy
Member since Nov 2009
3399 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:01 pm to
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So you're the same idiot who thought Harsin was going to be a good hire because you don't have the first clue what to look for.


We can really tell the last two weeks haven't gotten to you at all.
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:05 pm to




Posted by WeTheTide
Member since Jan 2024
343 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:07 pm to
Post Boises records before Harsin
Harsin did worse than the previous coach.

Then do Washington’s
DeBoer did much better
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 9:08 pm
Posted by Foy
Member since Nov 2009
3399 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:36 pm to
quote:

Post Boises records before Harsin
Harsin did worse than the previous coach.

Then do Washington’s
DeBoer did much better


Well that settles it. DeBoer in the SEC Championship this year.
Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
3782 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:44 pm to
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DeBoer did much better


DeBoer was there two years and left as soon as his QB and 6 year O line were done (and UW had to play in the Big 10). Probably shrewd of him to cash in now, but we never got the chance to see if he fell off “like” Harsin, who still was the class of the MWC.

DeBoer is a good x & o guy, can clearly get a team pulling in the same direction quickly, but we have no idea if he can sustain a program, deal with boosters, recruit at a high level, win without a Heisman caliber QB, field a decent defense, etc etc etc. that’s a lot of unanswered questions for a “home run” hire for a program that holds themselves in the esteem of Alabama.

I’d be wondering if Greg Byrne was a bit too sure of himself…perhaps a little more deliberation was in order…but the die is cast now
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 9:45 pm
Posted by Johnnycrane
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2022
652 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:57 pm to
He's getting off to a bad start when it comes to retaining his roster, which I know isn't all his fault. Again, WE KNOW HARSIN SUCKS. personally my pick was for hugh Freeze 4 years ago, but nobody wanted to touch him because of the bullshite morality police back in 2020. I don't know if anyone has been
(terrible) at recruiting at Bama, but Mike shula sure was average. Lol That will not cut it now. Even after the NCAA sanctions were lifted, he didn't exactly kill it on the trail. I thought you had to win a championship before someone called you a GREAT coach? He's following Saban man, if you can't understand how daunting a task that is I can't help you.
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 9:59 pm
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19303 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:07 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 10:08 pm
Posted by Othello
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:14 pm to
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 10:17 pm
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25137 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:27 pm to
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
24266 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:37 pm to
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Which is hilarious because so many Bammers crapped on that.


I did not. Same thing with Kelly as DeBoer can they fit in culturally to the south as it relates to recruiting. I’m an older Bama fan and remember Perkins and Curry and then the crap that followed after Stallings. All I’ve been saying is give this man a chance. There’s no need to melt.
Posted by FlyDownTheField83
Auburn AL
Member since Dec 2021
451 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:02 pm to
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…and win a national championship, I’ll be happy…


This is the most likely point of failure for DeBoer; the insane expectations of Gumps will lead them to crucify him as soon as they perceive he is not Nick Satan reincarnated.
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
24266 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:05 pm to
Actually more than 20
Of them entered before Saban retired.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
5799 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:44 am to
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Explain the Harsin comparisons to DeBoer with logic.


Harsin is no longer at barn, but they still suck. They're never going to recover. They hope, ABOVE HOPE, hiring DeBoer does the same to BAMA.

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This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 1:47 am
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
5799 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:46 am to
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the insane expectations of Gumps will lead them to crucify him as soon as they perceive he is not Nick Satan reincarnated.



Is it better to hold on to a fricking dial tone like Freeze, and pray for Cam redux?

Edit.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 1:54 am
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
5799 posts
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:53 am to
Waiting on a picture or video of Auburn playing in the CFP?

/thread
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 1:54 am
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