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re: Everyone agrees the ancient Romans were the greatest ancient civilization....

Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:46 am to
Posted by Sgt_Nick_Fury
Chattanooga
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:46 am to
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So says the guy who's heritage is 31% German..


How do you know what percentage I may or may not be.....?
Posted by wadewilson
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:47 am to
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If I'm gonna be honest I'll put Applewood smoked Bird of any kind up there with pork or beef.


Never tried it. What do you use? Chicken? Turkey? Or is wild game preferred?

Frankly, I'm kinda partial to Kansas City style BBQ, but I like to keep an open mind and try new stuff when I get the chance. There's a place near me that serves Korean kogi and Vietnamese Banh Mi. It's good stuff, but it's something you might prefer served with cabbage slaw. On a taco, just liked you'd serve grilled shrimp tacos.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:48 am to
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How do you know what percentage I may or may not be.....?


That's mine according to ancestry.com Maybe it's why I'm predisposed to Mustard based sauce.
Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
908 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:48 am to
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I think you're on to something...


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Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:49 am to
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Never tried it. What do you use? Chicken? Turkey? Or is wild game preferred?


I did a Turkey breast a few months ago. Injected it with sage, thyme and chicken stock. Turned out really good.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:50 am to
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Posted by wadewilson
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:57 am to
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Injected it with sage, thyme and chicken stock. Turned out really good


Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
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908 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:59 am to
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I did a Turkey breast a few months ago. Injected it with sage, thyme and chicken stock. Turned out really good.


Okay, don't hate on me until you try it but...

...have you ever heard of sous vide? Look it up, it's basically vaccuum-sealing food with a little fat and seasoning, then cooking it in a low-heat water bath for HOURS. I guarantee it will change your entire view of cooking.

The best turkey I ever made? Sous-vide first, then take it out, slather the skin with butter and herbs, broil until crispy skin, and enjoy.

Best brisket I ever made? Sous-vide for 20 hours with various spices, then smoked for two hours before serving.

You can't overcook food, and cooking it at low temps for HOURS makes anything come out perfect. Finish it however you want afterwards.

Little-known fact: Some of the best chop houses sous-vide their steaks for hours in a professional immersion cooker. They're already ready (and rare) before you ever set foot in the door. When you order, they take one out, slather on butter (and maybe a little salt) and then sear the meat to get that Malliard effect going - or to make it less rare, then it's served up.

If you get any meat from a high-end restaurant that you can pull apart with a fork, most likely it was cooked in a sous-vide immersion cooker.

That said, I've been experimenting with BBQ using mine. No matter what meat I use, it's never dry, never over (or under) cooked, and always delicious.

Okay, let the downvoting from BBQ/Smoker traditionalists commence!
Posted by themicah85
DALLAS TX
Member since Jul 2015
3501 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:02 am to
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Texas fricks up chili. They aren’t creative at all. Just meat, packet of seasoning and masa. I roast at least 5 peppers and dice them up. Texans are lazy af with their chili. Might as well be hormel


They use wolf chili
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36573 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:05 am to
We sous vide every scrap of chicken and pork that's cooked in my house. I sous vide a little on beef, though I still prefer black iron or charcoal there.

Disclaimer: I don't even attempt any kind of BBQ. I have no talent there.

Really trying to do some research on a grill/smoker combination. I'm kind of leaning pellet, but I would rather not spend $500 plus on something I'm realistically only going to use 2-3 times a month in spring and fall.

I think I'd be willing to try BBQ then. Yes, I've tried the 48 hour brisket water bath. It still sucks. You have to be able to smoke.
Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
908 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:16 am to
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I sous vide a little on beef, though I still prefer black iron or charcoal there.


You can still use black iron or charcoal to sear the meat to get that flavor (Malliard effect) after sous-vide.

On a lark, I went and got the cheapest, toughest cut of meat I could find (don't remember what it was, asked the butcher for the ugliest least-popular cut he had). Trimmed most of the fat off seasoned it up, added a little olive oil and sous-vided for about 8 hours. Threw it in a cast-iron skillet just before serving, and it disappeared faster than a chicken running from a voodoo queen.

Give it a shot.

Also, fish and shrimp in the SV is flat-out awesome.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36573 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:33 am to
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You can still use black iron or charcoal to sear the meat to get that flavor (Malliard effect) after sous-vide


That's usually what I do.

Low temp in sous vide, then sear.

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Also, fish and shrimp in the SV is flat-out awesome.


I've got a whole skin-on salmon at home. May try sous vide on that.

It'd probably be really easy to just vac seal and freeze salmon filets or a few tailed and deveined shrimp with some lemon and thyme.

Straight into sous vide when you're ready to eat.
Posted by Sgt_Nick_Fury
Chattanooga
Member since Sep 2012
219 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:38 am to
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Never tried it. What do you use? Chicken? Turkey? Or is wild game preferred?


Whichever, But turkey and Goose is best...Prefer goose if it's available.

Use applewood wood chips, and cut half a can of beer and mix some beer apple cider to leave in the bottom of the vertical bird rack...acks like a chimeny for bird evens it out asnd keeps it moist while you smoke outside till skin is crispy. Rub sage into skin for best flavor.
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Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
908 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:42 am to
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I've got a whole skin-on salmon at home. May try sous vide on that


Filet it into halves, and with salmon be sure to brine it for a few hours before sealing it up for the SV.
Posted by EastTXHorn
Houston
Member since Jan 2019
791 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 2:39 pm to
I don’t think anybody agrees on that. They were prosecuting folks for saying the solar system didn’t revolve around the earth. While civilization in Central America were advanced in astronomy, built huge structures, figured out how to feed over a million people in a poor soil region, art, etc. They just sacrificed a mf here & there.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 2:46 pm to
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Low temp in sous vide, then sear.

Sous vide is awesome, especially if you're serving an eater who is finicky about overdone meat.

Do you have an actual machine?

I've rigged it before (like in an Instant Pot) but never have committed to the real equipment.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36573 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 2:50 pm to
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I've rigged it before (like in an Instant Pot)


Some instant pots come with a sous vide function. I honestly couldn't tell you if mine does, because we got the instant pot after.

I think it was under $130 by the time I got the Anova sous vide device and the big plastic tub and lid that it hooks into. It's been well worth it.
Posted by paperwasp
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Member since Sep 2014
23175 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 3:15 pm to
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Anova device

The reviews on that look great.

I was actually talking with a friend about getting something like this last weekend, so it might just be time for me to take the plunge.

Pun intended.

Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
908 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 3:30 pm to
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Do you have an actual machine?

I've rigged it before (like in an Instant Pot) but never have committed to the real equipment.


I started off with a Gourmia high-wattage circulator, and used it in my meemaw's big ole jambalaya pot for years.

Then I bought the Anova all-in-one kit, with a reservoir and a cover, and I love it. It's lower wattage, but works great when you're only cooking for two.

I still use the bigger gourmia when I'm cooking a lot of meat for a long period of time.
Posted by Dotarian
Midwest
Member since Oct 2012
908 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 3:58 pm to
Okay, so help a baw out....

I was never much of a BBQ fan growing up. Mainly lived on a combination of Fleur-de-Lis pizza, Shoneys all-you-can-eat fried catfish, and tons of home-cooked cajun dishes from my grandmother (along with the only cooked venison that didn't taste like warmed-over arse).

I didn't really "get" into BBQ until I was older. And, to tell the truth, I've never been able to tell one type from the other. I pretty much like 'em all (except for Oklahoma Joes here in KC, which I can't stand).

Sweet, tangy, hot, "zesty" (vinegar or mustard), and whatever "KC style" is. It's all good to me.

So help me out - can someone break down what the different types are?

FWIW, the best store-bought BBQ meals I ever had were from Shorty Small's in Little Rock and from Smokehouse BBQ here in KC (KC Masterpiece wasn't bad, either, before it closed, as long as you went to the original store on the Plaza).

???
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 4:06 pm
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