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re: ESPN would facilitate the SEC poaching VT/NCST from the ACC.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:40 am to 5thTiger
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:40 am to 5thTiger
quote:those schools don't want to set a precedence of allowing another SEC schools in state rival to join. The thought is they would do anything to keep FSU, Clemson and GT out
What would Georgia, Florida, and SC have against Texas that is any different than the rest?
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:43 am to Jabstep
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However, NC State isn't going to leave UNC and Duke.
NCST is tied to UNC, not Duke. NCST is a constituent member of the UNC system, so UNC probably won't let NCST leave, unless UNC is leaving, too.
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Nevertheless, UT and OU are the whales. The big six automatically goes to the big eight with their additions. They may not bring the TV money but they bring star power and national brands that could make up for the loss of TV money.
No conference will ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever expand for a money-LOSING proposition. You can argue that UTx/OU would be the best money-making additions (though I disagree), but if you're already conceding that it would COST the member schools, that their shares would go DOWN, then the move is absolutely a non-starter.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:43 am to bee Rye
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those schools don't want to set a precedence of allowing another SEC schools in state rival to join. The thought is they would do anything to keep FSU, Clemson and GT out
But Texas is a bit more than an instate rival. They are THE university in Texas. A&M is like Auburn, but Texas is like Alabama. Most of those other states Uni's are relatively equal. No matter what A&M fans believe, that is not the case in Texas. The Horns are tops.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:47 am to Mirthomatic
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NCST is tied to UNC, not Duke. NCST is a constituent member of the UNC system, so UNC probably won't let NCST leave, unless UNC is leaving, too.
UNC will never leave the ACC, hell they ARE the ACC
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:54 am to 5thTiger
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They won't leave right now...but losing UNC, NCState, Duke, completely changes the equation. ACC doesn't look so stable. UVA takes their chance to jump to the B1G. Florida State has no allegiance to ND btw. ND might look to the B1G. Big 12 would definitely come calling if NC schools leave.
Well, they'd still have Duke. When I said "all the North Carolina schools", I misspoke. If UNC goes B1G, and NCST goes SEC, Duke would be left in the ACC, as they have an invitation to neither conference. At that point the ACC is stable because the B1G and SEC are done w/ expansion.
FSU has no allegiance to ANY of the ACC schools. But they have an interest in regional rivals, which the ACC can provide. The B12 can't. Unless the B12 offers significantly more money, there's no reason for FSU to move. I think ESPN makes sure the ACC money stays comparable.
ND wants to associate w/ coastal schools, not midwestern or southwestern schools. It's why they refused the B1G so long, and why they refused DeLoss Dodds's manic pursuit for them to join the B12.
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It happened with the Big 12 last round. Colorado and Nebraska weren't exactly the string holding the fabric together, but they created an unstable conference. Missouri and A&M made the jump. It almost killed the Big 12 completely.
In all the cases you mentioned, CU, NU, A&M, and Mizzou, each team joined a conference that offered regional rivals, and contiguous geography. There's simply no way the B12 can offer that to the ACC schools.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:55 am to THWG247
The Big12 is the conference on life support, not the ACC. It will cost a fortune to raid the acc and the teams that would be interested in a move to the sec like Clemson, GT, and FSU are the ones the sec doesn't want, but they also sure as hell don't want them to go to the BIG.
Texas and OU would be a good fit to the sec, God what a brutal conference it would be to get out of alive and into the playoffs though. Would make for some amazing football though, tv markets be damned, people all over the country would pay to see OU and TX play an sec west schedule imo.
Texas and OU would be a good fit to the sec, God what a brutal conference it would be to get out of alive and into the playoffs though. Would make for some amazing football though, tv markets be damned, people all over the country would pay to see OU and TX play an sec west schedule imo.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:59 am to THWG247
FSU loves the acc dude the only really tough team in their division is Clemson. the game has changed it's all about the easiest path to the playoff's now, and the acc money is very decent
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:59 am to THWG247
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UNC will never leave the ACC, hell they ARE the ACC
What if the B1G and SEC are outearning the ACC by $15M a year? What if, by sending UNC to the B1G and NCST to the SEC, the state of North Carolina could realize a $30M annual increase to the budgets of their top two institutions?
That kind of windfall can't just be dismissed.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:01 am to bah7tea
I don't see ESPN happily giving up Tier 1 rights to 2 schools to CBS, to gain Tier 2 and 3 rights that they already have.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:07 am to ArabianKnight
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I don't see ESPN happily giving up Tier 1 rights to 2 schools to CBS, to gain Tier 2 and 3 rights that they already have.
How often would games involving any Virginia/North Carolina school be tier 1? Probably only when they play a Bama, and then CBS would have made it tier 1 anyway. Although it's true ESPN could be losing tier 1 BASKETBALL to CBS, in the form of UNC. But if UNC is getting restless, and is thinking about leaving the ACC, ESPN vastly prefers that they go SEC instead of B1G.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:14 am to 5thTiger
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But Texas is a bit more than an instate rival. They are THE university in Texas. A&M is like Auburn, but Texas is like Alabama. Most of those other states Uni's are relatively equal. No matter what A&M fans believe, that is not the case in Texas. The Horns are tops.
Maybe so but that doesn't change how the conference network is monetized. Getting another program in a new state, any state, is better than a program in the same states currently in the footprint.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:19 am to Jamie Lannister
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they would most likely end up similar to Kentucky if they joined SEC.
Well, seeing as how UK has been more relevant in football lately than either UVA or UNC, I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. Plus, just take one look at what thta TV money is doing for UK's athletics facilities and it's not a hard pitch to make.
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UVA and NC schools would be worried about a drop off of interest in basketball if some of them left for SEc and basketball is where they make their gold
It's not as though the SEC is a completely lousy basketball conference. LSU, Arky, UK, UGA, OM, UTk, and UF have all made the tournament in the past 3 years. If anything, those teams would probably hav an easier road to the tournament while still playing quality opponents in conference. Duke and UNC could still play yearly OOC games, as could UVA and VT.
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I think you could see ACC teams refuse to play SEC if they start poaching our schools, too.
And risk losing the exposure that comes with those rivalries? Not a chance in hell. Only UT and A&M are ballsy enough to do that and that's purely because they each have the money to get away with it.
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ACC schools did not like it when Maryland left. Hard to believe one of those schools who wanted to punish Maryland bad would then do the same thing.
Punishing Maryland is in no way synonymous with, say, punishing UVA or UNC. Those schools outweigh the Terps 100 to 1.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:23 am to Glorious
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Is expansion about to happen? Why is it a major topic right now
People are bored and the Big 12 mentioned considering picking up 2 more teams if the championship game rule doesn't deregulate to allow them to do one with 10 teams. Somehow this has led to some bizarre belief that the SEC would seek out Oklahoma which has spiraled into some inherent belief that the SEC wants to expand at all. If - BIG if - the SEC expanded again, it would poach from the ACC. Period. And that's not going to happen unless the ACC begins to crumble.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 10:26 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:25 am to tylerdurden24
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Well, seeing as how UK has been more relevant in football lately than either UVA or UNC, I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. Plus, just take one look at what thta TV money is doing for UK's athletics facilities and it's not a hard pitch to make.
UVA and UNC have been bowl teams. Doubt they would want an even tougher conference for football, and a watered down one for (primary) basketball.
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Duke and UNC could still play yearly OOC games,
Package deal. Kidding yourself otherwise.
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Punishing Maryland is in no way synonymous with, say, punishing UVA or UNC.
Those schools were pissed because they lost another academic prestige school. The B1G is the premier public school conference. All about those research partnerships.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:27 am to bee Rye
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The thought is they would do anything to keep FSU, Clemson and GT out
GT is out simply on the fact that they left the conference on their own volition. UGA doesn't even have to fight that battle.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:29 am to bah7tea
Finally a take that isn't complete rubbish. Well done mate.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:30 am to Mirthomatic
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What if the B1G and SEC are outearning the ACC by $15M a year? What if, by sending UNC to the B1G and NCST to the SEC, the state of North Carolina could realize a $30M annual increase to the budgets of their top two institutions? That kind of windfall can't just be dismissed.
Playing teams further from home will cost more money, plus I think they would see reduced ticket sales especially for basketball.
Rivalries is what makes college football what it is.
The ACC contract means any program that violates can't get tv revenue until 2027. That makes it a stable conference. Teams will lose money to bolt for SEC and would take a long time to even break even.
If you win the ACC, you are basically a lock for the playoff.
Whoever said Kentucky has been better than UVA and UNC, seems to forget Kentucky had 1 or 2 wins in like 3 years recently.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 10:37 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:33 am to Jagd Tiger
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pretty sure they aren't.
Only 4 public Big 10 teams and Northwestern ranked higher than Clemson in US News. Duke, G Tech, and UNC are ranked higher than most big 10s, and Clemson is in a conference with them.
Maryland and Rutgers ranked lower than Clemson.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:35 am to Jamie Lannister
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Playing teams further from home will cost more money, plus I think they would see reduced ticket sales especially for basketball.
But both the B1G and SEC still make regional sense. Nothing like "Tobacco Road", but we're not talking prohibitive travel cost increases.
I think basketball $$ would stay the same, and ticket sales for football would skyrocket (particularly for the schools joining the SEC).
Posted on 7/2/15 at 10:40 am to Mirthomatic
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But both the B1G and SEC still make regional sense. Nothing like "Tobacco Road", but we're not talking prohibitive travel cost increases. I think basketball $$ would stay the same, and ticket sales for football would skyrocket (particularly for the schools joining the SEC
If you look at distance of schools from VA tech, most of their close rivals are in the ACC, The ones furthur away including their old rivals from the big east, BC and Miami.
They've also rarely played SEC programs.
If ACC would tweak the conference so that all the teams played each other more, I don't think there would be any difference b/t ACC and SEC ticket revenue. Right now Clemson and VA Tech still only play like every 8 years and that should be a matchup ACC tries to have every year.
ACC is supposedly looking at going to 3 divisions
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 10:43 am
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