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re: ESPN would facilitate the SEC poaching VT/NCST from the ACC.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:25 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:25 pm to Cheese Grits
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Staying at 14 is the best mantra
Oh I agree with that. As an A&M fan the last thing I want is more Realignment. How things are right now is perfect for us. 14 is a perfect number, I am just saying I could see the ACC surviving such a raid. And if the SEC must expand, poaching the ACC isn't off the table just because of ESPN.
Actually I take that back, as an A&M fan things could get better if the Big 12 took WTF teams from the non Power 5 ranks. That might actually happen within the decade, that is what I am watching.
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 5:51 am to weagle99
Frank Beamer = wants no part of SEC
This, nobody from the ACC wants to go through the sec gauntlet to try and make the playoffs. VT knows they will never fill that empty trophy-case that way! The AcC offers one of the easiest paths to the promised-land of the 5 power conferences.
Also, if you took two teams like vpi and ncst, wouldn't that crack open the acc and open the door for Clemson and FSU to head for the BIG? No way the sec wants to let that happen.
This, nobody from the ACC wants to go through the sec gauntlet to try and make the playoffs. VT knows they will never fill that empty trophy-case that way! The AcC offers one of the easiest paths to the promised-land of the 5 power conferences.
Also, if you took two teams like vpi and ncst, wouldn't that crack open the acc and open the door for Clemson and FSU to head for the BIG? No way the sec wants to let that happen.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 6:43 am to THWG247
The B1G wouldn't spit on the likes of Clemson and FSU.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 8:23 am to cypressbrake3
pretty sure Clemson higher ranked in US News and other publications than most BIg 10 schools.
if they took Maryland and Rutgers surely Clemson and FSU would work too.
no fan of Clemson wants to be in the BIg 10 though, we have no rivalries with any of them, and it isn't that good of a conference
if they took Maryland and Rutgers surely Clemson and FSU would work too.
no fan of Clemson wants to be in the BIg 10 though, we have no rivalries with any of them, and it isn't that good of a conference
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 8:26 am
Posted on 7/2/15 at 8:28 am to Cheese Grits
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Current setup keep FOX away from all 3 and keeps B12 intact instead of breaking up. I know Mizzou is new to all this but for the SEC to raid the ACC would be out of character and kill the ACC which would hurt ESPN way more than it would help it. ESPN probably wants things the way they are for at least the next decade.
Ding ding ding!!!! Sure Vtech and NCState would add money, but ESPN wants both to stay golden. They won't risk letting one asset go just to make more money for another.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 8:31 am to bah7tea
And then Mizzou moves west and we are done with it. Divisions appear balanced, but we would have to move to a 9 game schedule or your schedule each year would not change assuming permanent opponents are kept.
SEC West
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
LSU
Mississippi State
Missouri
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
SEC East
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
NC State
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Virginia Tech
SEC West
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
LSU
Mississippi State
Missouri
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
SEC East
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
NC State
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Virginia Tech
Posted on 7/2/15 at 8:32 am to bah7tea
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There's a twist here because I'm sure ESPN would love to unload the LHN which may never get into the black during the life of the deal.
Exactly why I think Texas winds up in the SEC. It's the perfect way for both Texas and ESPN to save face over the Longhorn Network fiasco. By having Texas move to a more lucrative conference.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 8:37 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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Exactly why I think Texas winds up in the SEC. It's the perfect way for both Texas and ESPN to save face over the Longhorn Network fiasco. By having Texas move to a more lucrative conference.
I don't think Texas would get in. Definitely have A&M, Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina voting against that. Only need a few more schools to vote no.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 8:56 am to Jamie Lannister
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pretty sure Clemson higher ranked in US News and other publications than most BIg 10 schools
pretty sure they aren't.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:12 am to spslayto
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I don't think Texas would get in.
Honestly, I don't want Texas, either. But I think they're more likely than Oklahoma.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:17 am to bah7tea
Very quality insight, but I don't want to add anyone else.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:19 am to Jagd Tiger
Lets say the B1G and SEC raid the ACC, taking ALL the North Carolina and Virginia schools. That still wouldn't spell the doom of the ACC. ESPN still wouldn't want to lose the rest of the conference, so they could simply give the ACC the deal they're giving the B12: "You stay at 10, and we'll pay you as if you were still at 14." And ESPN could even give them the conference network they've been craving.
And if things looked like they would really go sideways, I think Notre Dame would bite the bullet and become a full member. Add UConn, and you're back to 12, and can have a conference championship.
And if things looked like they would really go sideways, I think Notre Dame would bite the bullet and become a full member. Add UConn, and you're back to 12, and can have a conference championship.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:20 am to Jagd Tiger
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I don't think Texas would get in. Definitely have A&M, Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina voting against that. Only need a few more schools to vote no.
Add a Mizzou HELL NO vote. Remember Loftin is now our chancellor. That makes it a double hell no.
I fail to understand the texass love by some tRant posters. History and TV market is totally ignored. texass destroyed the SWC and the B12. They are poison. You don't let somebody like that into your house, no matter how pretty they are. A&M brought the TX TV market to the SEC already.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:22 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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Exactly why I think Texas winds up in the SEC. It's the perfect way for both Texas and ESPN to save face over the Longhorn Network fiasco. By having Texas move to a more lucrative conference.
I think only UTx is concerned about how the failure of the LHN looks. I think ESPN is just happy that their plan to keep the B12 from folding worked. UTx leaving would certainly kill the B12.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:25 am to Mirthomatic
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Lets say the B1G and SEC raid the ACC, taking ALL the North Carolina and Virginia schools. That still wouldn't spell the doom of the ACC. ESPN still wouldn't want to lose the rest of the conference, so they could simply give the ACC the deal they're giving the B12: "You stay at 10, and we'll pay you as if you were still at 14." And ESPN could even give them the conference network they've been craving.
Yeah....that is totally false. Without the NC schools alone the conference would fold. UVA would go B1G. The Big 12 would poach a few and be quality again.
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votes to let texas in
A&M is an obvious no. Missouri would say no with Loftin...but I wouldn't be so sure about the other 12. What would Georgia, Florida, and SC have against Texas that is any different than the rest?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:25 am to Mirthomatic
Why can't Texas go to the Pac12 when the LHN folds?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:33 am to 5thTiger
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Yeah....that is totally false. Without the NC schools alone the conference would fold. UVA would go B1G. The Big 12 would poach a few and be quality again.
If FSU still has Notre Dame/Clemson/Georgia Tech/Miami/Louisville, there's no reason they have to jump ship to B12, especially if they're making the same amount of money in the ACC. And it would be in ESPN's interest to make that true, as otherwise they lose a lot of inventory.
The B12 is a conference on life support. No ACC school is going to willingly join, and exile themselves to an island a la West Virginia, unless that's their only option that makes sense. ESPN (and probably Notre Dame) would make sure FSU has incentive to stay.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:37 am to bah7tea
Great logical post.
However, NC State isn't going to leave UNC and Duke. They don't have the little brother syndrome A&M suffers from. I could see adding VT.
Nevertheless, UT and OU are the whales. The big six automatically goes to the big eight with their additions. They may not bring the TV money but they bring star power and national brands that could make up for the loss of TV money.
However, NC State isn't going to leave UNC and Duke. They don't have the little brother syndrome A&M suffers from. I could see adding VT.
Nevertheless, UT and OU are the whales. The big six automatically goes to the big eight with their additions. They may not bring the TV money but they bring star power and national brands that could make up for the loss of TV money.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:37 am to RunningBlake
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Why can't Texas go to the Pac12 when the LHN folds?
I'd say because it ISN'T going to fold. I don't think ESPN ever thought it would be a cash cow (pardon the pun). I think their main objective was to keep the B12 alive, and creating the LHN cost less and was a better guarantor of conference stability than if they had to pay ALL the members of the B12 more. I think they correctly deduced that keeping UTx happy was all they needed to do, and the rest of the conference would just suck it up. Either because they cannot leave UTx (OU), or because they have no offer from any other conference (the rest of the B12).
Posted on 7/2/15 at 9:39 am to Mirthomatic
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No ACC school is going to willingly join, and exile themselves to an island a la West Virginia, unless that's their only option that makes sense. ESPN (and probably Notre Dame) would make sure FSU has incentive to stay.
They won't leave right now...but losing UNC, NCState, Duke, completely changes the equation. ACC doesn't look so stable. UVA takes their chance to jump to the B1G. Florida State has no allegiance to ND btw. ND might look to the B1G. Big 12 would definitely come calling if NC schools leave.
It happened with the Big 12 last round. Colorado and Nebraska weren't exactly the string holding the fabric together, but they created an unstable conference. Missouri and A&M made the jump. It almost killed the Big 12 completely.
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