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re: Enough is enough already. Definitive Chubb vs Fournette info inside
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:13 am to blackmamba
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:13 am to blackmamba
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Stats are fun to look at and all, but Fournette went up against a stacked box on every carry.
Wanna know how I know you didn't watch any UGA games this year?
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Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:14 am to lsupride87
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Holy shite and the complain about Mason? Talk about spoiled We would hold sacrifices for those numbers
No kidding, on this point, Georgia fans look either really ignorant or stupid. LSU was historically poor passing. Georgia was incredibly efficient given that their fans think their quarterback is a soft tossing moron.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:14 am to therick711
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Georgia fans didn't play LSU last year so I don't expect them to know this. Let me put it together for you. Mason completed almost 68% of his passes for 2168. He threw 21 touchdowns and 4 picks. Rating was 155.7
Jennings on the other hand completed 48.9% of his passes for 1611 yards. He threw 11 touchdowns and 7 picks. Rating was 118.3
Who do you think was more efficient and more productive.
You need to go back on page 1 and read the OP's thoughts on that. You can easily spin a QB situation to suit the needs of your RB argument in any way you want.
Your point is that LSU wasn't a passing threat so teams keyed in on LF.
Well, guess what? After Chubb's first start at missouri (143 yards) the secret was out so teams knew about him. His next game (at ark) he went for over 200. So at that point, if you don't think teams were altering their game plan to stop chubb, I don't know what to tell you. Yet despite that, he still ran for over 100 yards in every remaining game.
And oh by the way, starting wiht that missouri game (where everyone started to know about chubb), our QB only had ONE game (out of eight) where he threw for more than 200 yards.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:15 am to WG_Dawg
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He also had 5 games last year with less than 10 carries.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess those 5 games were ones in which Gurley started
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:16 am to WG_Dawg
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. . . You might not agree, and that is fine, but you have to admit that on that basis alone one could argue that Fournette is better. It would be the argument of them swapping teams. Just a thought.
I don't think I could have been any more clear. It doesn't bother me that anyone thinks Chubb is great or better than anyone else. I'm pointing out that the OP is stupid to think it is a black and white issue.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:17 am to lsufball19
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess those 5 games were ones in which Gurley started
Yep. He also had 2 more games with 13 carries and 11 carries.
But what's your point? The original point was that Chubb was getting hella carries the entire season, which is false. He started half the season, and got a good bit of carries in those games. The rest of the season, he was in a backup role. As mentioned, he had 32 more carries over the 13 game season as LF. It's not like he had 100 more.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:18 am to WG_Dawg
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As mentioned, he had 32 more carries over the 13 game season as LF. It's not like he had 100 more.
That's over two games worth of carries to Fournette, as has already been pointed out.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:18 am to therick711
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I'm pointing out that the OP is stupid to think it is a black and white issue.
Let me ask you this then. How would YOU compare 2 people at the same position in the same league during the same season?
What metrics would you use to produce some sort of ranking?
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:18 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Moreno was supposed to be a world beater and he was good, but his NFL career has been shortened due to wear and tear. Marshal and Gurley were both injured last year and Gurley still kept being put in after "healing". But the main example is UGA beating Missouri 34-0 and Chubb had the ball 42 times.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:18 am to MrTwoBits
Good stats Two Bits, but the LF homers have already seen all of that and have dismissed them. They have to because, on paper it's not close. On film it's not close. On stats against the same team (see LF v. Arkansas and NC v. Arkansas) it's not close. On stats that you haven't mentioned (# of starts - LF started more games than NC) it's not close.
Compare league awards and it's not close. NC = All SEC 1st Team and Freshman of the Year. LF = nada.
They will claim reality doesn't matter because LF faced a stacked defense every play. Ignoring the fact that NC faced the same thing. Heck, the longest pass completion by UGA all last year was 50 yards - thrown by Todd Gurley.
So, anyway, fine work on the OP.
But a select few very 'special' LSU homers will simply dismiss them just because.
Compare league awards and it's not close. NC = All SEC 1st Team and Freshman of the Year. LF = nada.
They will claim reality doesn't matter because LF faced a stacked defense every play. Ignoring the fact that NC faced the same thing. Heck, the longest pass completion by UGA all last year was 50 yards - thrown by Todd Gurley.
So, anyway, fine work on the OP.
But a select few very 'special' LSU homers will simply dismiss them just because. This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 10:20 am
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:19 am to therick711
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That's over two games worth of carries to Fournette, as has already been pointed out.
Regardless of carries, would you agree yards per carry would be an equalizer then? Since, as been mentioned, Chubb's was almost a full 2 yards higher.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:19 am to WG_Dawg
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Let me ask you this then. How would YOU compare 2 people at the same position in the same league during the same season?
What metrics would you use to produce some sort of ranking?
First, I wouldn't be a sensitive penis. Second, I wouldn't insist that no one could legitimately disagree with me.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:20 am to MrTwoBits
Fournette's carries were split more between Hilliard, Magee, and Darryl Williams . Chubb was really good but Gurley didn't split as much time. I expect Fournette's stats to be higher as the main guy
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:20 am to WG_Dawg
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Regardless of carries, would you agree yards per carry would be an equalizer then? Since, as been mentioned, Chubb's was almost a full 2 yards higher.
You are arguing with a guy whose only dog in this fight was exposing the OP's stupid premise. You are free to think Chubb is great. Just quit saying it is ONLY 32 carries like that means anything. The number seems small so you are trying to imply that the difference is negligible. It is not. As always, please see:
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. . . You might not agree, and that is fine, but you have to admit that on that basis alone one could argue that Fournette is better. It would be the argument of them swapping teams. Just a thought.
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 10:21 am
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:20 am to MrTwoBits
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 10:21 am
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:21 am to geauxnavybeatbama
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Moreno was supposed to be a world beater and he was good, but his NFL career has been shortened due to wear and tear.
He played a grand total of 2 years at UGA. If you think his NFL career has anything remotely to do with him getting worn down in college, you're off your rocker.
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Gurley still kept being put in after "healing"
What? Gurley was suspended 4 games and came back for AU. He tore his ACL and didn't play another snap.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
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the main example is UGA beating Missouri 34-0 and Chubb had the ball 42 times.
Maybe that means that Richt, unlike miles, knows who his top weapons are and uses them to win ballgames. Yall point out that LF didn't get that many carries, well....maybe he shoudl have and yall woudl have been better.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:21 am to geauxnavybeatbama
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But the main example is UGA beating Missouri 34-0 and Chubb had the ball 42 times.
Actually, the main example is Fournette with 17 yards against Arkansas and Chubb with 202 yards against Arkansas.
It's black and white - and it's not even close.
I mean, when you think your best argument is Chubb's first game as a starter when we punked our division champs 34-0, well ... okay.
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:22 am to therick711
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First, I wouldn't be a sensitive penis. Second, I wouldn't insist that no one could legitimately disagree with me.
Third, you'd deflect. Which you are quite proficient at.
I asked a simple quesiton, and you chose not to answer it. I take it that you can't come up with any conceivable metric to compare 2 people at the same position. Interesting.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:23 am to WG_Dawg
I was referring to Gurley last season not this season
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:24 am to WG_Dawg
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Third, you'd deflect. Which you are quite proficient at.
I asked a simple quesiton, and you chose not to answer it. I take it that you can't come up with any conceivable metric to compare 2 people at the same position. Interesting.
You can cry all you want. I've already made my point here. The teams are not remotely comparable throwing the ball. On that basis alone, one could argue that Fournette had a better season. Don't be a sensitive penis about it. 32 carries is over two games worth of carries. Just admit that.
I'm surprised you would insist on dishonestly portraying stats to obscure the real point. You don't normally present things in such a skewed way to make your point. I get that you take Georgia football really seriously, but that is kind of bush league if you ask me.
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 10:26 am
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