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re: Does the NCAA involvement in politics concern you

Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:17 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:17 pm to
I do. Don't want them trying to influence politics.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:18 pm to
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Yes, they are private organizations and can do whatever they want. The problem is this sets a precedent that whenever they disagree with a law a state has passed, they'll just pull them from venue consideration.

Is there something wrong with that in a free society?

If I run a private organization, I want to be able to say if my organization will or will not sponsor events - under whatever circumstances I feel are important to me. And that precedent was set a long time ago.
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lot of people that will grow tired of it and just decide not to spend their money on their product.

That would be a predictable market response, that may already be taking place (and for other reasons besides politicization).

The question then becomes, where to draw the line as an organization. Do you stand on principle and just shut the whole thing down, or do you make compromises?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:33 pm to
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feign injustice over to sway political thought while holding sports hostage.

Was it feigning injustice when the black kids couldn't play ball with the white kids in the South prior to 1970?

Sometimes political pressure from the NCAA works.
Posted by bgator85
Sarasota
Member since Aug 2007
6022 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:39 pm to
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This bathroom issue is ridiculous.


I agree, which is why states should stop making these dumb laws. It is another example of the state trying to create a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 12:53 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:50 pm to
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If you look like a guy, go to the boys bathroom. If you look like a girl, use the girls bathroom.

When you gotta go, you gotta go. I've goner into the ladies room when there was a line of dudes waiting for the mens room. frick that, I just locked the door when I went in. And just this weekend I was watching women using the mens room at a restaurant I was at simply because there was a line for the ladies room, and no one was using the mens room.

Who the frick cares.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64606 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:55 pm to
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I agree, which is why states should stop making these dumb laws. It is another example of the state trying to create a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

if you look at the history of this issue, it started from something pretty innocent. It started with colleges several years ago installing gender neutral bathrooms. That progressed certain cities/states making all single occupant bathrooms gender neutral. Then Washington enacted a law that allowed transgenders to use the bathroom of which they identified with. Where it got dicey on a large scale was when the city of Charlotte and others like Austin and San Fransisco enacted a similar law and the people of the state of North Carolina lost their minds and the state legislature got involved. Then it became a domino effect
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53458 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:58 pm to
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Was it feigning injustice when the black kids couldn't play ball with the white kids in the South prior to 1970?

Sometimes political pressure from the NCAA works.


The question becomes where is the line drawn? As I asked AggieDub. Where do you draw that line?

He's willing to move to whatever the general population feels is acceptable.


Posted by CXSteve
Member since Oct 2012
855 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:59 pm to
Can't even bring my guns to the stadium anymore.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119116 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 12:59 pm to
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It doesn't.
Posted by Spindicus Lofrus
Member since Oct 2014
814 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:01 pm to
This isn't about politics. This is about not being an ***hole bigot. If your political views don't allow you to be a decent person, you deserve no measure of consideration from anyone.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64606 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:11 pm to
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This isn't about politics. This is about not being an ***hole bigot. If your political views don't allow you to be a decent person, you deserve no measure of consideration from anyone.

well it is about politics. North Carolina enacted a law, a law the NCAA and other entertainment governing bodies do not like. And their response to said law is to effectively punish the state for their political process. They are well within their rights to do so, but saying it isn't about politics is incorrect.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53458 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:14 pm to
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This isn't about politics.


Sure it is. The NCAA and NFL are trying to strong arm states based on social engineering.

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This is about not being an ***hole bigot.


If that's what you want to call the vast majority of parents who do feel it not appropriate for a grown man to use the bathroom with their little girl or wife, then label them that.

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If your political views don't allow you to be a decent person


How is having that view equal to not being decent? And I ask you the same as I asked AggieDub... where is the line drawn? He even stated that if we decide that sex with minors is ok, then its ok. The age he used was 14.

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If as a society we realize that 14 year olds are old enough to have sex and it not be considered statutory rape, then I would need to reevaluate my position.


So would I then become an undecent person because I think that's BS?

This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 1:17 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:27 pm to
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The NCAA and NFL are trying to strong arm states based on social engineering.

Again, that sounds so much like what was being said in the 60s about allowing black players.
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If that's what you want to call the vast majority of parents who do feel it not appropriate for a grown man to use the bathroom with their little girl or wife

In the past it was about having white kids and black kids in the showers together. Turns out, it really isn't a big deal to allow it.

But furthermore, if a man wants to go into the women's room, he's going to go into the women's room - regardless of anything.

I don't want some 300 pound IT geek sitting in the stall next to me and unloading a colon full of dead rats, but I've learned how to deal with that potentiality without having to pass a law mandating that 300 pound IT geeks have just as much right to dump their loads as anyone else.

Maybe people should just tell their little girls to just hold it, because there may be an ax-murderer hiding in the little girl's room, and it may not be safe in there.
Posted by DBU
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:29 pm to
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80096 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:52 pm to
The NFL and NCAA can threaten North Carolina all they want, but they have significantly less pull in a state that contains 4 of the top 11 largest cities in the country.
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41297 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:18 pm to
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This isn't about politics. This is about not being an ***hole bigot. If your political views don't allow you to be a decent person, you deserve no measure of consideration from anyone.


Here comes the name calling. Sorry you lack the ability to debate your point and have to be a hater.
Posted by Crimson Legend
Mount St Gumpus
Member since Nov 2004
15478 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:37 pm to
I'm a progressive. To some of you, I'm a "liberal" (if you're from California, I'm probably a "moderate). I agree politically with most of the positions taken by the NCAA.

BUT, that being said, I wish they would stay out of politics. Why should the NCAA make a political statement by refusing to allow championship games played in states which fly the confederate flag (despite the fact that I agree the flag should be taken down)? Why do we need to mix our sports with politics? I am not talking about individual players - they have the same rights as the rest of us to express themselves, they just happen to have a wider audience. But the NCAA itself, in my opinion, should stay the hell out of politics and just be the organization they were created to be.
Posted by Snout Spout
Somewhere in the 17th century
Member since Jul 2015
957 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:46 pm to
So make all bathrooms gender neutral. No more fighting over which bathroom to use and the parents out there can go in and make sure their kids are safe.
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
17379 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:01 pm to
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You realize courts are not supposed to do what is popular but what is right?


That's false. Courts are supposed to uphold the constitution, not uphold the vision of "what is right" as understood by the new civic religion proponents.
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
13363 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:04 pm to
NCAA is nothing but politics itself. It has a known cheater at its head and plays favorites for money. Politics at its finest.
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