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Does anyone else think Mack Brown is way overrated?
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:26 pm
Does anyone else think Mack Brown is way overrated as a coach? I saw some Texas fans arguing that Brown outcoached Saban in the BCSNC and justified their assessment solely by pointing to the "fake punt." That was definitely a dumb play, but I'm not entirely sure that wasn't an audible called at the LOS.
But then I started thinking about Brown's job in general as a HC and, the more I think about it, the less I think he's one of today's best coaches.
Consider:
-He is the head coach at the school with the greatest amount of football revenue and is supported by incredibly rich boosters.
-He coaches the flagship program in perhaps the most talent-rich state in the country (if not THE most talent-rich, it is unquestionably in the top 3)
-There is no other powerhouse program in the state
He has had great teams at Texas, but he SHOULD have great teams: in addition to being able to recruit a top 5 class without even trying, he's stolen many of the best assistant coaches in the country by simply spending the aforementioned Texas money.
Does anyone else agree that 1 national title and 2 appearances in 10 (or however many) years is a little underachieving? Hell, Saban's built 2 programs from nothing into NC contenders in the same time frame and still has 2 years of change spent in the NFL.
I guess I just find it funny that Texas fans are still making excuses for their loss when they have basically a Les Miles clone at the helm of their program. I really think Meyer, Saban, Stoops, Tressel, Butch Davis, etc. would have 3+ national titles with all of the advantages that Brown enjoys at UT.
But then I started thinking about Brown's job in general as a HC and, the more I think about it, the less I think he's one of today's best coaches.
Consider:
-He is the head coach at the school with the greatest amount of football revenue and is supported by incredibly rich boosters.
-He coaches the flagship program in perhaps the most talent-rich state in the country (if not THE most talent-rich, it is unquestionably in the top 3)
-There is no other powerhouse program in the state
He has had great teams at Texas, but he SHOULD have great teams: in addition to being able to recruit a top 5 class without even trying, he's stolen many of the best assistant coaches in the country by simply spending the aforementioned Texas money.
Does anyone else agree that 1 national title and 2 appearances in 10 (or however many) years is a little underachieving? Hell, Saban's built 2 programs from nothing into NC contenders in the same time frame and still has 2 years of change spent in the NFL.
I guess I just find it funny that Texas fans are still making excuses for their loss when they have basically a Les Miles clone at the helm of their program. I really think Meyer, Saban, Stoops, Tressel, Butch Davis, etc. would have 3+ national titles with all of the advantages that Brown enjoys at UT.
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Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:27 pm to RMFTBama
Nope....he is good.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:27 pm to RMFTBama
It doesn't hurt that he is in one of the most talent-rich states as far a high school talent goes.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:29 pm to RMFTBama
So 10 consecutive years of 10+ wins is now considered overrated?
This post was edited on 1/12/10 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:30 pm to MightyYat
It isnt that he is overrated, it is just that we cant tell how good he is while at Texas. Texas can make any average joe look good with the athletes wanting to be Longhorns since birth.
He was however really good at UNC before arriving at Texas
He was however really good at UNC before arriving at Texas
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:31 pm to GoHoGsGo06
No, he runs the program the right way.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:32 pm to RMFTBama
No. That is a stupid statement. Brown played for a NC this year, and probably would have won if not for Colt's injury. He had saban the great playing scared enough to try a fake punt. He won a BCS game last year, and should have played for the NC but got screwed. Won a BCS game in 04 and NC in 05. Also Colt McCoy is the winning-est qb in college football history. But dont let facts get in your way.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:32 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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It isnt that he is overrated, it is just that we cant tell how good he is while at Texas. Texas can make any average joe look good with the athletes wanting to be Longhorns since birth.
David McWilliams
John Mackovic
they would like to discuss that with you
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:33 pm to austingator
The only thing I dont like/respect about the program is the 95% shotgun offense. If they had a Pro-Offense (under center exchanges), i really think they could elevate their status even more, jmo
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:34 pm to I Love Bama
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-There is no other powerhouse program in the state
Maybe not at this moment, but there are 9 D1 programs in the state at last count. Texas Tech is (err, was) a perennial top 25 team. Oklahoma lives off their in-roads in Texas with alumni and transplanted okies, and to a lesser, but still significant degree this is true with LSU. Texas loses it's share of in-state recruiting battles with these two.
A&M was on top in Texas from 1984 - 1997.. Mack Brown ended that run. Regardless, A&M has almost as many alumni and a huge fandom. Mack routinely gets lifelong aggie fans to play for Texas.
Just think your statement is a little misleading. I will agree that UT owns the state as much as they ever have, save maybe for the 1960's but I wasn't around then.
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David McWilliams
John Mackovic
they would like to discuss that with you
oh, so true. Remember, Texas was getting beat by the likes of Baylor and Rice before Mack came along. Our stadium was 2/3 full and it wasn't "cool" to wear school colors. That's just the very tip of the iceberg of what Mack has meant to UT. It goes beyond football even.
This post was edited on 1/12/10 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:35 pm to Number 3 is my Hero
quote:every school has exceptions. that fact that Texas is one of the top schools ever speaks volumes for their status, not give or take 1 or 2 coaches
David McWilliams
John Mackovic
they would like to discuss that with you
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:35 pm to RMFTBama
even a monkey could lock down recruiting in the state of texas at UT. that's automatic 10 wins a season right there.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:38 pm to RMFTBama
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Does anyone else agree that 1 national title and 2 appearances in 10 (or however many) years is a little underachieving?
How many appearances do you think Bama will make in a similar time frame?
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:38 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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ot give or take 1 or 2 coaches
They are 2 prior to Mack Brown
6 winning seasons in 11 total seasons only 2 10 win seasons the previous 11 years prior to Mack took over.
Also you can go back to 1977 and see Texas has only had 5 seasons or 10 or more wins. So Mack has had 9 straight 10+ win seasons in 12 seasons.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:39 pm to RMFTBama
I've always liked him. The bottom line is that he is the head coach of the highest grossing program in the country. No rational person can argue that he isn't doing something right at UT
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:40 pm to RMFTBama
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Does anyone else think Mack Brown is way overrated?
I don't know you, and I have no animosity towards you, but this is a f'cking stupid thread.
Mack Brown is a great coach, always has been, and a quality human being.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:41 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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The only thing I dont like/respect about the program is the 95% shotgun offense. If they had a Pro-Offense (under center exchanges), i really think they could elevate their status even more, jmo
Brown changed his offense to better fit Young and then Colt. Before that, Sims and Applewhite were under center more.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:42 pm to RMFTBama
keep in mind some of those great texas recruits (texas is 1. in HS recruits) go to oklahoma
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:43 pm to RMFTBama
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-There is no other powerhouse program in the state
Okie recruits the hell out of Texas, and are a powerhouse. LSU also is able to pull some top talent out of the Houston are. Just because you're the only powerhouse in the state doesn't mean other powerhouses don't get recruits.
His teams are always elite or close to it. The championship numbers just seem low because he has Oklahoma in the division, a program at the same level as Texas. It's hard to say he's not a great coach looking at the body of work. Plus, let's not forget how well he did at UNC.
Posted on 1/12/10 at 3:44 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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CaptainBrannigan
You tell me that my assessment is stupid and that I "ignored" the facts while making an impossible-to-prove, homerish claim that Texas would have beat Alabama with Colt McCoy in the game. Nice. What is that expert opinion based on? Your continued butthurt?
But yes, I guess Texas should be proud of their 4 BCS appearances. It's not like anyone else has achieved that many appearances. Oh, wait. USC has. And so have LSU, Ohio State, and Oklahoma. The latter 3 all having less talent and fewer resources than Texas.
Carry on with your hypocrisy and/or idiocy.
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