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re: Dispelling the myth of "3rd and Chavis"
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:01 pm to VFL1800FPD
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:01 pm to VFL1800FPD
This happens to every defensive coordinator. Maybe it happens to him more than the norm. I don't know that. It would take way too much time to compile the comparative data.
It just seems like to me that a narrative was started long ago about 3rd and Chavis, and anytime anything close to it fits the bill, it's tallied while forgetting about the other times (large majority) that it didn't happen.
It reminds me of Tony Romo. Early in his career he had some very bad end of games (INTs, Fumbles, etc.) and he was labeled a choker. But, since then, he has been clutch at the end of games far more than he's been bad. It doesn't matter though, because all it takes is one game that he falters, and the public has its desired narrative fulfilled again.
Aside from all of that, if we can get those first 58 mins of Chavis close to what he has done historically, I like our chances to not be in a one score game anyway.
It just seems like to me that a narrative was started long ago about 3rd and Chavis, and anytime anything close to it fits the bill, it's tallied while forgetting about the other times (large majority) that it didn't happen.
It reminds me of Tony Romo. Early in his career he had some very bad end of games (INTs, Fumbles, etc.) and he was labeled a choker. But, since then, he has been clutch at the end of games far more than he's been bad. It doesn't matter though, because all it takes is one game that he falters, and the public has its desired narrative fulfilled again.
Aside from all of that, if we can get those first 58 mins of Chavis close to what he has done historically, I like our chances to not be in a one score game anyway.
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:03 pm to Realistic Ag
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Aside from all of that, if we can get those first 58 mins of Chavis close to what he has done historically, I like our chances to not be in a one score game anyway.
THIS. That is all that matters.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:05 pm to KaiserSoze99
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So, the fact that I had HUNDREDS of opportunities to get way ahead and FAILED to do so is IRRELEVANT? Those prior holes don't mean jack shite?
So, LSU's failure to score a single point in the first half against Ole Miss had NOTHING to do with the loss. It was all on Chavis?
Got it.
When you are standing over that putt, yes, every missed or created opportunity before that is irrelevant. Not to say it had nothing to do with the eventual outcome, but you're not going to be talking about your Thursday 3 putt bogey on 7 in the press conference after you lose on Sunday by one stroke due to a missed putt on 18
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:05 pm to Realistic Ag
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It just seems like to me that a narrative was started long ago about 3rd and Chavis, and anytime anything close to it fits the bill, it's tallied while forgetting about the other times (large majority) that it didn't happen.
It's magnified when your offense is terrible like LSU. Chavis can force the opposing team to punt 4 times in the 4th quarter but since the LSU offense couldn't score...
And then he never got credit the other way around. I remember two games last season alone where Chavis's defense got an INT when it mattered most at the end of a game. Without Chavis's defense not being clutch LSU would have been 6-7.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:07 pm to LSU GrandDad
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goody for you. just wait until the 4th qtr. if you have a lead, you are fricked.
LSU's defense saved LSU in the 4th quarter last season. It's amazing how y'all rewrite history.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:08 pm to KaiserSoze99
You know what ags I remember LSU fans throwing out numerous stats in 09 in defense of Chavis. UT favs tried to warn us. We are now warning you. Even other fans know and understand that 3rd and Chavis is very real. Are you going to sit there and say UT's 90's and early 2000 offenses were bad or inefficient? Please try.
You can listen or ignore it by continually posting stats that don't tell the big picture. Behaviors or philosophy can change. Chavis does not. We surrounded him with the best athletes around. In 2011 our DB group had enough speed to cover an entire FB field in less time for a QB to check his progressions. He still exhibited the same defense with the same problems. Throw out the Clemson WVU game all you want in terms of Steele. That same year Chavis gave up over 500 yds to WVU.
Our superior athletes 85% of the time overcame those problems.
You can listen or ignore it by continually posting stats that don't tell the big picture. Behaviors or philosophy can change. Chavis does not. We surrounded him with the best athletes around. In 2011 our DB group had enough speed to cover an entire FB field in less time for a QB to check his progressions. He still exhibited the same defense with the same problems. Throw out the Clemson WVU game all you want in terms of Steele. That same year Chavis gave up over 500 yds to WVU.
Our superior athletes 85% of the time overcame those problems.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:09 pm to VFL1800FPD
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When you are standing over that putt, yes, every missed or created opportunity before that is irrelevant. Not to say it had nothing to do with the eventual outcome, but you're not going to be talking about your Thursday 3 putt bogey on 7 in the press conference after you lose on Sunday by one stroke due to a putt you should have easily made, and one you were making all week
It's an incongruent analogy. It does not account for your ability to stop your opponents from scoring or in any way effecting their score. The golf analogy is off.
But, trying to stay with the golf theme, I choke the putt all three days, two and three putting on most holes. I am able to heckle the competition enough so they do the same thing. They finally pull it together on the last hole, but I fail to improve my putting.
It still does not fit. I have no ability to really effect my opponents.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:11 pm to KaiserSoze99
It's not a metaphor for football, it's a metaphor for the feeling you'll have when you get 3rd and chavised. It's pretty obvious you won't listen to our warnings, it will happen, and it will suck. And no amount of statistics will help at that point
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:13 pm to TeLeFaWx
All of the talk about our offense is sickening. A&M scored 35.2 PPG and LSU scored 28.1 PPG. We had our worst offense in a very long time and it's still respectable compared to other teams in the SEC.
Ole Miss - 28 PPG
Missouri - 28 PPG
(Teams that A&M lost to)
Tennessee - 28 PPG
Ole Miss - 28 PPG
Missouri - 28 PPG
(Teams that A&M lost to)
Tennessee - 28 PPG
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:14 pm to TeLeFaWx
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LSU's defense saved LSU in the 4th quarter last season. It's amazing how y'all rewrite history.
Fine. Think that. I'd argue Lsu's defense is why we lost to MSU. It was the offense that kept us in it. While Chavis's golden boy DJ welter tackled himself.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:19 pm to memphisplaya
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Quit looking at that useless stat. You want a stat?
LSU vs Clemson 2012
THE DEFENSE GIVES UP A 4TH & 16. ONCE AGAIN OFF MAN COVERAGE
LSU vs Alabama 2012
SAME OLE shite TO END THE HALF & END THE GAME
LSU vs Ole Miss 2013
Rinse and Repeat
You can throw in the late game collapses against Bama & Notre Dame from last year. Same ole shite.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:19 pm to VFL1800FPD
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It's not a metaphor for football, it's a metaphor for the feeling you'll have when you get 3rd and chavised. It's pretty obvious you won't listen to our warnings, it will happen, and it will suck. And no amount of statistics will help at that point
That's the difference. It's emotional. You can curse the day Chavis was born. It doesn't change the fact that in ALL of the recent examples, Chavis is defending a tie game or a 3 point lead and the offense does JACK shite in the 4th Quarter to help the D out--sometimes leaving them on the field THE ENTIRE QUARTER. It's not emotional. It's logic. Regardless of how awful it FEELS to lose on a last second field goal. Rational people can look at the game as a whole and appropriately assign the blame.
The Thanksgiving day loss to the fricking longhorns in 2011? That was on RYAN TANNEHILL's shitty game and stupid pick 6, and on SHERMAN's shitty play calling and general lack of game-day coaching. We bitch about the longhorn fan ref J. Taylor who made the infamous targeting call that put the fricking longhorns in position to win, but the blame fell on Ryan Tannehill;s poor performance and Shermans shitty coaching. That's not emotion. It's reason and logic,
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:20 pm to BigBrod81
Why do you keep posting 13 Ole Miss? Your QB threw 3 INTs during one half
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:25 pm to texag7
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Why do you keep posting 13 Ole Miss? Your QB threw 3 INTs during one half
So what? In the 1982 NFC Championship game the 49ers had 4 turnovers to the Cowboys 1. Nobody remembers that but everyone remembers The Catch by Dwight Clark. Point is, turnovers aren't always the reason for wins or losses. Plus it's another example of Chavis using off man coverage in losing a game late. You dudes just don't get it or just choose not too.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:32 pm to KaiserSoze99
You try and be rational after you lose a game by a field goal after your defense gives up a 4th Down late in the 4th
Hint: it won't help
Hint: it won't help
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:44 pm to BigBrod81
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Point is, turnovers aren't always the reason for wins or losses.
I'd say 3 INTs are far more important than conceding a field goal. Turnover margin is a huge determining factor in a game. I'd spot a team a field goal if it meant I got three more possessions mid field as many times as it is offered.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:46 pm to TeLeFaWx
Absolutely, three turnovers is usually gonna net you at least ten points off them assuming variable field position. Well worth the field goal.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:54 pm to SDVTiger
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Its been incredible. You can smell Fear with every thread they start
Which is about 6 a day
It's really incredible. They show how insecure they are based on LSU's response. They melt because we haven't by constantly posting about it and say we are melting.
It's beautiful to see them flailing about like little children
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:57 pm to texag7
Didn't need to read all seven pages. Son, you in serious denial.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:59 pm to BigBrod81
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