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re: Danielson said on radio ESPN responsible for B10 decline.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:25 am to LSU Tigerhead
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:25 am to LSU Tigerhead
quote:This guy get's it. ESPiN wasn't responsible for UM's decline, Sandusky, SweaterVest ousting.
The B-one-G is responsible for their own decline. They play crap out of conference schedule, rack up the wins, then when they play a strong OOC team, they suffer a massive beat down. Then they blame the press for doting all over the SEC.
At the time LSU beat tOSU '03, the B1G was all the rage In ESPiN's eyes, but thatt opened the floodgates of reality that continued with SEC trouncing B1G since.
The SEC is the disease killing B1G, and ESPiN is just along for the ride.
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:26 am to BearBait09
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It is logical to deduce that ESPN would prefer success from its most affiliated leagues. But there are other factors. It doesn't mean its true, but it's certainly possible, intentional or not. I think more in play is the fact that all of the population growth in the country in the past 60 years has been in the south and the southwest. This is because of the invention of air conditioning. (seriously) Football is also a bigger deal in SEC country than it is in Big10 country. A lot of Big10 schools care about basketball as much as they do football, that just doesn't seem to be the case for the SEC. Then you get to the fact that high school football is better developed in the south than it is in the north, you can play it year round down here, and kids like to go to schools reasonably close to home, it all adds up to a decline in the Big10.
agree 100%. and from a Baylor fan nonetheless. maybe y'all aren't as texas centric as some of your brethren and actually can view things from an objective perspective. if I was hiring, i'd hire you.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:30 am to FairhopeTider
Fairhope just dropped a:
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:31 am to lsu777
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they make more money then any other conference. Well at least they did until the sec network. Money is not the problem at all.
you are correct. the big 10 has the bucks no doubt. it seems sometimes people make assumptions and pass them on as facts. go figure.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:37 am to Diamondawg
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ight be as simple as Ohio State has not recovered from the Trussell mess
They'll be fine with UM.
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Michigan just might have made another bad coaching hire.
They recruit really well and the facilities are good. All rivalry aside, I thought Hoke was alright. RR made one of the worst DC hires I've ever seen in Greg Robinson.
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Nebraska coach is nuts and they will never be the old Nebraska.
Yeah, they may get a BCS bowl/B10 ring here/there, but I don't think they'll be elite.
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MSU is prob better than they used to be
Thank god. JLS and Bobby Williams were shitfests
. Although, Narduzzi is the best DC, but even people wanted him fired in 2009 , so glad he stayed. As for football, they'll get good players from Michigan (but you won't see them high in the recruiting rankings like a OSU/UM/ND). They try to develop the lower-ranked talent (which worked out with Cousins, Darqueze Dennard, Le'Veon Bell). Now what they do after Mark Dantonio leaves will be interesting. quote:
Penn State is self-explanatory.
JF is a shitbag, but he'll do a really good job at PSU (he's a very good coach).
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The rest of the conference has always been so so (sort of like now).
WISC is alright under Andersen. Purdue is so fricking awful, it's actually funny when I watched Drew Brees college highlights back in the summer. Ferentz is overrated, but Iowa is hit/miss. Need to see RUT/MD more before I comment on them.
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:39 am to coachcrisp
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Well, that does it for you, Pal....you're banned.
Oh, well. The upside to this is that women like "bad boys".
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:40 am to SoFla Tideroller
A lot of the Big 10's decline is tied to funding. which has a lot of reasons behind it. Consider that Wisky has always been one of the most successful schools in the conference, a full stadium and multiple recent Rose Bowl appearances. Yet, one of the reasons Bret gave for leaving was that he was tired of losing his assistant coaches...he said after his last season he had 9 coaches who were planning on interviewing elsewhere because of low pay. So you can imagine what the average to bottom dweller schools are faced with. Too, it was quoted on one of the major college football talk shows that the Big 10 has not had a QB drafted in the first round since the mid 90's. Which does reflect on poor recruiting. TP at O.St. was the major highschool recruit in his senior yr, yet he did crap with the Buckeyes on the national perspective, at least based on all his hype.UM is doing so well there because the school gave in & has allowed him to recruit & bring in highschool players not previously admitted. And this was supposedly one of his main reasons for not taking the ND job: the administration would not give in there.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:50 am to Keltic Tiger
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A lot of the Big 10's decline is tied to funding. which has a lot of reasons behind it. Consider that Wisky has always been one of the most successful schools in the conference, a full stadium and multiple recent Rose Bowl appearances. Yet, one of the reasons Bret gave for leaving was that he was tired of losing his assistant coaches...he said after his last season he had 9 coaches who were planning on interviewing elsewhere because of low pay.
yeah, was surprised with Wisky on that part. UM/OSU aren't short on $$$ (UM pays Nussmeier and Mattison over 800K each, or close to that).
MSU has gotten better at this as they've won more (Narduzzi finally got to 900K after that rose bowl win, but he was pretty low even around 2010-11, when they first really started winning regularly).
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:05 am to thekid
Living in Indianapolis but being a lifelong Bama fan (or as we are more affectionately known, Gump), I have a pretty unique perspective. First off, let's admit what we all already know - everybody cheats. Every major program, including the holy B1G teams, cheat. Every major program lowers its academic standards for athletes. Period. So when the B1G fan points his finger at the SEC and says "we do it the right way, and you are just a bunch of cheating football factories", he's full of shite.
BUT...
It is true that the SEC takes this to a higher level. There is more pressure to win, and a little less pressure to maintain the appearance of being student first and athlete second. Ohio State graduates a couple players who can't read each year. The number of illiterate athletes in every SEC program other than Vanderbilt is probably double digits. It's all a big business in every major football program, but in the SEC, it's a business attached to the university, and in the B1G, it's a business that they continue to try to pretend is still amateur.
Older B1G fans are really frustrated right now. They grew up with their conference being the premier conference in football (at least to them, and the polls were certainly slanted that way). Now they are almost down to the level of the former Big East. Ohio State and MSU are good, but the 6th and 7th best SEC teams are as good (in my mind, that's Ole Miss and South Carolina). They need an excuse for why things are so different, and they point to ESPN (they used to blame it all on bowls being played in warm weather - a pathetic argument at best).
Does ESPN hype give us an advantage? Certainly. Is it the primary cause of the huge decline in the Big Ten? Not at all.
BUT...
It is true that the SEC takes this to a higher level. There is more pressure to win, and a little less pressure to maintain the appearance of being student first and athlete second. Ohio State graduates a couple players who can't read each year. The number of illiterate athletes in every SEC program other than Vanderbilt is probably double digits. It's all a big business in every major football program, but in the SEC, it's a business attached to the university, and in the B1G, it's a business that they continue to try to pretend is still amateur.
Older B1G fans are really frustrated right now. They grew up with their conference being the premier conference in football (at least to them, and the polls were certainly slanted that way). Now they are almost down to the level of the former Big East. Ohio State and MSU are good, but the 6th and 7th best SEC teams are as good (in my mind, that's Ole Miss and South Carolina). They need an excuse for why things are so different, and they point to ESPN (they used to blame it all on bowls being played in warm weather - a pathetic argument at best).
Does ESPN hype give us an advantage? Certainly. Is it the primary cause of the huge decline in the Big Ten? Not at all.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:08 am to Crimson Legend
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It is true that the SEC takes this to a higher level. There is more pressure to win, and a little less pressure to maintain the appearance of being student first and athlete second. Ohio State graduates a couple players who can't read each year. The number of illiterate athletes in every SEC program other than Vanderbilt is probably double digits. It's all a big business in every major football program, but in the SEC, it's a business attached to the university, and in the B1G, it's a business that they continue to try to pretend is still amateur.
Pretty much. Anyone trying to argue CFB isn't a minor league to the NFL, regardless of conference affiliation, is beyond delusional. The illiterate athletes aren't a shocker (I had a roommate who worked Academic tutoring at MSU, and some of the shite was pretty interesting
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:12 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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I would say their inability to do primetime night games throughout the season because of the temperatures has hurt them the most.
Ann Arbor - 35
East Lansing - 36
Columbus - 38
Bloomington - 40
Lincoln - 35
State College - 39
Madison - 35
Knoxville, TN - 44
Tuscaloosa, AL - 48
Athens, GA - 47
Oxford, MS - 43
Columbia, MO - 41
Nashville, TN - 45
Baton Rouge, LA - 42
These are the average low temperature for November 1st for a representative sample of locations in both the Big 10 and the SEC on November 1st. You'll note that the difference is less than 10 degrees.*
Don't buy into the B1G spin machine. LSU, aTm, and Florida will certainly be warmer, but for the conference as a whole the weather difference is negligible for most of the season.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:13 am to FairhopeTider
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was coming to post this.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:16 am to Hugo Stiglitz
Great point, Hugo. But the real question is not so much percentage, but total population, right? If there are a million black residents in Mississippi making up 40% of the population, and a million black residents in Michigan making up 5% of the population, I'm not sure the advantage is so great.
I wonder what the overall numbers are.
I wonder what the overall numbers are.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:19 am to Aman
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Maybe the decline in the B10 is because they suck at football
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They haven't always. Did you even read the OP?
Well no shite but it's true now and that's why Danielson is talking about the decline
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:25 am to Wtodd
No...he said that the Big10 network caused decline because the Big10 decided to not work with ESPN per the old contract....remember when ESPn had nothing but acc & b10 games on at 12noon and 3:30? Awful crap...and the acc cost ESPN a lot of $$ because body watched it...ESPN thought with the girls school and the Univ of NJ@Coral Gables they would have a lot of viewers but both teams sucked for long time. ESPN tried their best to pimp the girls school every chance they got...making them top ten preseason pick or better and they would crap themselves
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:29 pm to reel_gator8
Big sucks because they will not go after and pay the top coaches in the country (except OSU & mich).
They cheap out and keep shitty coaches around. This doesn't happen in the SEC one bad season and the seat gets warm assistants that can't produce are fired every year.
They cheap out and keep shitty coaches around. This doesn't happen in the SEC one bad season and the seat gets warm assistants that can't produce are fired every year.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:59 pm to thekid
No, their decline came about because the SEC got Nick Saban away from Mich. St. and changed both Bama and LSU into annual top 5-10 team, causing other SEC teams to go inti warp speed to keep up.
The Big10 couldn't compete with the weather, the coaching, the spending etc, so southern recruits who used to head north, decided to start staying home.
It is all about the coaching, and the south has the top coaches. 15 years from now that might change, but not today.
The Big10 couldn't compete with the weather, the coaching, the spending etc, so southern recruits who used to head north, decided to start staying home.
It is all about the coaching, and the south has the top coaches. 15 years from now that might change, but not today.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:16 pm to FairhopeTider
That graph sums it up. Plus the majority of blacks that live in big10 country live in big cities where basketball is the thing. Theres guys everywhere up north that have 5* measurables as SS,OLB,DE,ect but fade out as a undersized basketball player.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:32 pm to thekid
Personally, I think you don't have to look any further than the respective commissioners of each conference to see why the SEC and B1G are where they are respectively.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:37 pm to thekid
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Gary Danielson believes the Big 10 choosing NOT to partner with ESPN and forming their own network has drastically decreased their exposure leading to a decline in recruits. The SEC has had increased exposure and recruits have followed...
It's a great point that had to have contributed to their decline...
POSSSIBLY....but a bigger reason is that now teams in Louisiana, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, and Mississippi have major programs and are on tv. Back in the day every kid in the south wanted to play for ND, Mich, OSU, etc. because they were the teams on tv and they were the teams getting recognition.
The biggest reason of all? Population shift.
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