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re: Danielson said on radio ESPN responsible for B10 decline.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:25 am to thekid
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:25 am to thekid
I think the ESPN thing is an interesting point but more of a sidebar.
The biggest issue is demographics and declining interest at the HS level in football compared to Southern states. The Big 1G states are declining in population and the population they have is aging. They just don't have as many young folks as they used to. Many of their states are also really struggling financially and aren't investing in football. Compare that to a place like Texas where you have HS stadiums that are bigger than some small colleges and the competition level is continuing to go up every year.
The amount of blue chip talent has just continued to trend more and more to the SEC states and that is making it increasingly difficult for Big1G schools to compete. If one school can offer the chance to stay at home and play in warm weather vs going up North that really is a tough scenario for the Big 1G to win.
The Big 1G has also put a bigger emphasis on academics and research as their priority and have become more aloof about football. That's not a bad thing but it is hurting them to stay competitive. You don't see many Big 1G schools even trying to keep up in the facilities arms race like the SEC schools are engaged in.
FWIW, if my son were a middle tier football prospect the Big 1G creates a great opportunity. They are still excellent schools academically with all but 1 Big 1G schools being in the AAU. Place like Indiana, Minnesota, and Illinois may suck at football in general but they are great schools.
The biggest issue is demographics and declining interest at the HS level in football compared to Southern states. The Big 1G states are declining in population and the population they have is aging. They just don't have as many young folks as they used to. Many of their states are also really struggling financially and aren't investing in football. Compare that to a place like Texas where you have HS stadiums that are bigger than some small colleges and the competition level is continuing to go up every year.
The amount of blue chip talent has just continued to trend more and more to the SEC states and that is making it increasingly difficult for Big1G schools to compete. If one school can offer the chance to stay at home and play in warm weather vs going up North that really is a tough scenario for the Big 1G to win.
The Big 1G has also put a bigger emphasis on academics and research as their priority and have become more aloof about football. That's not a bad thing but it is hurting them to stay competitive. You don't see many Big 1G schools even trying to keep up in the facilities arms race like the SEC schools are engaged in.
FWIW, if my son were a middle tier football prospect the Big 1G creates a great opportunity. They are still excellent schools academically with all but 1 Big 1G schools being in the AAU. Place like Indiana, Minnesota, and Illinois may suck at football in general but they are great schools.
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:25 am to Irons Puppet
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They are shifting to that with CUM, but that has only been in the last two years.
They have run spread option for a good while under Tressel when they had Troy Smith and Terelle Pryor.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:31 am to thekid
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Big 10 choosing NOT to partner with ESPN and forming their own network has drastically decreased their exposure leading to a decline in recruits
Egotistical.Smug.Pompous.Narcissists
B1G just hasn't been as good as E.S.P.N. repped them to be for last 15yrs.
The ESPN-partner slant is off, seeing as SECN is like a few months old and the decline started well before B1G Network.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:35 am to Mayhawman
ESPNs deal with the SEC goes back 8 years or so...the BIG 10s reduction in exposure is not that new a trend...
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:35 am to Mayhawman
I think there were only 25 of the top 300 this year from big 10 states. That tells you all you need to know.
The population has shifted and they don't play high school football. In contrast, the warmer weather states are playing football year round.
The population has shifted and they don't play high school football. In contrast, the warmer weather states are playing football year round.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:38 am to FairhopeTider
Fairhopetider hit the nail on the head. Plus SEC/ACC schools make sure "athletes" pass courses so they can play. Hell some even pull strings so those athletes can get into their school, they fight tooth and nail to get them admitted.lol.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:44 am to genuineLSUtiger
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So a host of factors is involved.
This, but the Big 10 network could be a factor as well, or at least they squandered an opportunity to improve.
It is interesting though. I grew up closely associated with a service academy, and I've noticed the Big 10 and its fans have kind of assumed the same attitude, one which is pretty annoying if you're on the other side--we may not win every time, but we'll be better off in life and that's what counts. We do it the "right" way. IF we do win, it's all gravy and you'll hear all about it.
It's pretty absurd, but I've noticed this mindset creep in to those close friends I have who are legit fans of Big 10 teams and the conference in general.
Ohio State is the only one that can be a consistent contender.
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 10:19 am
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:44 am to thekid
There is a long thread on the Wisconsin Scout Board which explores this very issue. Some good arguments...some not so good. The ESPN thing was brought up...perhaps Danielson reads that board.
Mostly, in my mind, what can be gathered from their arguments and ours over here, is that, as in life, things rarely happen for only one reason.
Hope I didn't break any rules by referring to that Board.
Mostly, in my mind, what can be gathered from their arguments and ours over here, is that, as in life, things rarely happen for only one reason.
Hope I didn't break any rules by referring to that Board.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:52 am to Ghostfacedistiller
What are the long-term consequences on college football viewership when whole regions of the country (Northeast, Mountain West and the Rust Belt) have no real legitimate shot at a national championship?
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:53 am to thekid
The B-one-G is responsible for their own decline. They play crap out of conference schedule, rack up the wins, then when they play a strong OOC team, they suffer a massive beat down. Then they blame the press for doting all over the SEC.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:54 am to KnuteMiles
quote:Well, that does it for you, Pal....you're banned.
Hope I didn't break any rules by referring to that Board.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:56 am to thekid
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Gary Danielson believes the Big 10 choosing NOT to partner with ESPN and forming their own network has drastically decreased their exposure leading to a decline in recruits.
I would agree. The loss of money for the conference has a trickle down effect.
Bret left Wisky after 3 Big 10 titles bec of lack of funds. That was a huge slap in the face to the Big 10.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:02 am to genuineLSUtiger
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The Big 10 decline is a good analogy for the decline of the Midwest in general.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:04 am to thekid
Might be as simple as Ohio State has not recovered from the Trussell mess and Michigan just might have made another bad coaching hire. MSU is prob better than they used to be. Nebraska coach is nuts and they will never be the old Nebraska. Penn State is self-explanatory. The rest of the conference has always been so so (sort of like now). This isn't rocket psychology!
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:08 am to Ghostfacedistiller
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It is interesting though. I grew up closely associated with a service academy, and I've noticed the Big 10 and it's fans have kind of assumed the same attitude, one which is pretty annoying if you're on the other side--we may not win every time, but we'll be better off in life and that's what counts. We do it the "right" way.
I agree that this is their attitude...I saw it all over the Wisconsin boards and now that Texas sucks they throw that crap around too...bottom line--that is one of the only things they have to feel proud of so they spout it every chance they get...they would trade places with a lot of SEC schools in a heart beat.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:13 am to parkjas2001
huh? they make more money then any other conference. Well at least they did until the sec network. Money is not the problem at all.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:14 am to aggressor
This quote from Gary Patterson today made me laugh.
@brdispatch: TCU's Gary Patterson when asked how good his offense is: "I have no idea. We played Samford and then played a Big Ten team." Ouch.
@brdispatch: TCU's Gary Patterson when asked how good his offense is: "I have no idea. We played Samford and then played a Big Ten team." Ouch.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:15 am to lsu777
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they make more money then any other conference. Well at least they did until the sec network
So they dont. They didnt not get any BCSCG money the last 8 years, the SEC did. They did not get multiple BCS games money, the SEC did.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:16 am to the808bass
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What are the long-term consequences on college football viewership when whole regions of the country (Northeast, Mountain West and the Rust Belt) have no real legitimate shot at a national championship?
This was discussed a couple years ago, I think prompted by some article.
IMO it's a legitimate issue to the long term sustainability of the sport.
The SEC (and the South for all intents and purposes) may have become too strong for their own good. Even with the championship streak broken, it really doesn't change anything at all or add any diversity. Auburn didn't lose to Ohio State or Washington--they lost to FSU, a team from the Florida panhandle. Whatever.
IMO we need a few of the traditional powers (OSU, ND, Michigan, Penn State, etc.) to at least be competitive, otherwise you may be facing a situation like college baseball where it's basically just teams from the south and west coast that are of any consequence.
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 10:17 am
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:24 am to Ghostfacedistiller
There biggest programs having huge scandals doesn't help with penn state and oho state going in the chit can. Good news for them is those 2 will be back fast. The other traditional big programs have weak coaches in Michigan and Nebraska. It will take a change and time to fix that mess. Michigan state and Wisconsin are solid.
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