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re: Create an All-Star SEC team from 2000+
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:25 pm to bgator85
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:25 pm to bgator85
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No Tebow
He's absolutely second. Fwiw, Cam never lost...I mean, that should stand for something
. Tebow lost to Ole Miss at home and to Alabama in the SEC Championship game - badly.
As for Harvin, he was definitely considered. As was Alshon Jeffery, Josh Reed, Jordan Matthews, Amari Cooper, Robert Meachem, Earl Bennett, Randall Cobb, etc...there are so many good players. Some, I completely forget about.
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Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:39 pm to LSUbase13
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He's absolutely second. Fwiw, Cam never lost...I mean, that should stand for something .
Tebow lost to Ole Miss at home and to Alabama in the SEC Championship game - badly.
Well that seems to be using the fact that Tebow had a career within the SEC against him. Those are two games from two different seasons. I think the fact that Tebow had 4 years within the SEC and all the success he did is a big reason he should claim the top spot. Newton had a great season, but that was years after riding the bench and playing Junior College while Tebow made an instant impact followed by 3 years of HCs and DCs studying how to defend him.
This post was edited on 7/9/17 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:43 pm to bgator85
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Well that seems to be using the fact that Tebow had a career within the SEC against him. Those are two games from two different seasons. I think the fact that Tebow had 4 years within the SEC and all the success he did is a big reason he should claim the top spot. Newton had a great season, but that was years after riding the bench and playing Junior College while Tebow made an impact and had years of HCs and DCs studying how to defend him.
I believe Cam gets the nod based solely on the Eye Test.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:47 pm to 1801
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Alshon 183 receptions, 16.6 career ypc & 23 TD / Green 166 receptions, 15.8 career ypc & 23 TD
You conveniently leave out the fact that Alshon played in 40 career games compared to Green's 32. So the fact that Green had equal amount of touchdowns and only 17 less receptions in 8 less games is pretty remarkable, IMO.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:53 pm to LSUbase13
These lists always get biased by what they did in the NFL.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 12:55 pm to cajunbama
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These lists always get biased by what they did in the NFL.
If that was the case then Richard Seymour would be a no brainer
Posted on 7/9/17 at 1:21 pm to WG_Dawg
Solid list. The amount of talent coming out of the SEC makes this type of list impossible. I can make the argument that you can completely bypass Tebow, Cam Newton, Eli Manning and stick Matt Jones at QB and not miss a beat.
I know these lists are entirely subjective, but I just don't see how you can leave out Tyrann Mathieu. Aside from Ndamakung Suh, he was the best defensive player (and probably the biggest "impact" player) I've seen in a very long time.
Also, it's been quite some time, but I remember the LSU defensive ends in their 2003 National Championship year and Georgia's David Greene as being something else.
I know these lists are entirely subjective, but I just don't see how you can leave out Tyrann Mathieu. Aside from Ndamakung Suh, he was the best defensive player (and probably the biggest "impact" player) I've seen in a very long time.
Also, it's been quite some time, but I remember the LSU defensive ends in their 2003 National Championship year and Georgia's David Greene as being something else.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 2:01 pm to WG_Dawg
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Alshon played in 40 career games compared to Green's 32.
Alshon didn't sell his bowl jersey for cash. both players were on their respective campuses for the same amount of seasons/years - 3.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 2:17 pm to Grandioso
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Aside from Ndamakung Suh, he was the best defensive player (and probably the biggest "impact" player) I've seen in a very long time.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 3:59 pm to WG_Dawg
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If that was the case then Richard Seymour would be a no brainer
Career highlights and awards
7× Pro Bowl (2002–2006, 2010, 2011)
3× First-team All-Pro (2003–2005)
2× Second-team All-Pro (2006, 2011)
PFWA All-Pro (2002)
3× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX)
New England Patriots 50th Anniversary Team
New England Patriots All-2000s Team
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
First-team All-American (2000)
2× First-team All-SEC (1999, 2000)
He is the only one mentioned that will be getting a golden jacket soon.
This post was edited on 7/9/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 7/9/17 at 4:31 pm to BlackTiger89
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Jordan matthews over Beckham??? Are you retarded!!!! Or just a LSU hater??? Mark barron over Adams??? Wow u really are a troll!!!
Matthews is the SEC's all time leader in receiving yards and receptions. OBJ had one good year. My list didn't take into account NFL's accomplishments at all.
You do realize Mark Barron was a 3x 1st team All-SEC, 1x 3rd team All-American, and 2x 1st team All-American? I'm NOT saying Mark Barron is way better than Adams but it's not to crazy to think his SEC career was at least a little better.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 4:34 pm to WG_Dawg
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You conveniently leave out the fact that Alshon played in 40 career games compared to Green's 32. So the fact that Green had equal amount of touchdowns and only 17 less receptions in 8 less games is pretty remarkable, IMO.
I wasnt going purely by stats but talent level. Their were things Alshon did that were incredible, some crazy 1 handed catches
Posted on 7/9/17 at 4:56 pm to kbrake37
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Posted by kbrake37 on 7/9/17 at 4:34 pm to WG_Dawg quote: You conveniently leave out the fact that Alshon played in 40 career games compared to Green's 32. So the fact that Green had equal amount of touchdowns and only 17 less receptions in 8 less games is pretty remarkable, IMO. I wasnt going purely by stats but talent level. Their were things Alshon did that were incredible, some crazy 1 handed catches
Then you should stick with stats. Green clearly more talented. Alshon was a great wr, not trying to take anything away from him.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 5:00 pm to kbrake37
Jason Witten is the one who clearly does not belong on that list. His perception is based nearly entirely on his NFL career, not his actual SEC production.
I'll give a random example of an apples to apples recent SEC TE that simply blows away Witten's accomplishments.
Hunter Henry caught about 75% more balls, for 30ish% more TDs, in the exact same number of games played, at the exact same ages. Witten was never an All-American; Henry was. Witten never won the Mackey Award or was a semi-finalist (which existed every year he was at TN)- Henry won one, and was a semifinalist for another.
Henry was a Freshman All American, Freshman All-SEC, and overall made All-SEC teams of some kind each of his three years at Arkansas; Witten made one all-league team of any kind, in his 3 years.
I'll give a random example of an apples to apples recent SEC TE that simply blows away Witten's accomplishments.
Hunter Henry caught about 75% more balls, for 30ish% more TDs, in the exact same number of games played, at the exact same ages. Witten was never an All-American; Henry was. Witten never won the Mackey Award or was a semi-finalist (which existed every year he was at TN)- Henry won one, and was a semifinalist for another.
Henry was a Freshman All American, Freshman All-SEC, and overall made All-SEC teams of some kind each of his three years at Arkansas; Witten made one all-league team of any kind, in his 3 years.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 5:02 pm to bgator85
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IMO, Tebow should be on there for career alone vs. one year.
Building an All Star team not a lifetime achievement award team
Posted on 7/9/17 at 5:04 pm to BoardReader
What an oversight! Henry is going to ball on that chargers offense, too.
This post was edited on 7/9/17 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 7/9/17 at 5:09 pm to BoardReader
You're a total fool if you would put hunter frickin henry ahead of jason witten. Totalk fool.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 5:13 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
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You're a total fool if you would put hunter frickin henry ahead of jason witten. Totalk fool.
Henry is just *one* example of SEC TEs who were better than Witten.
This is not an NFL Career Achievement Award.
This is a college football performance comparison-- and it isn't even a serious one. Witten doesn't belong in that conversation, let alone as a serious candidate.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 5:27 pm to BoardReader
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Henry is just *one* example of SEC TEs who were better than Witten.
This is not an NFL Career Achievement Award.
This is a college football performance comparison-- and it isn't even a serious one. Witten doesn't belong in that conversation, let alone as a serious candidate.
Agreed. Hunter Henry is absolutely above Witten in terms of college careers.
I think Henry could end up a better pro too, if he can have the same longevity as Witten. He already had a better rookie season.
But yeah, college career I can make an argument for Phillip Lutzenkirchen to be ahead of Witten, and I would never think to put Lutzy on this list.
This post was edited on 7/9/17 at 6:14 pm
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