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re: Confirmed: Vanderbilt Football Players Under Investigation for Rape (Suspended)
Posted on 6/29/13 at 5:46 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 6/29/13 at 5:46 pm to Cheese Grits
My safety word has always been "Lou Diamond Phillips" ... Oh... You said safe word... Nevermind.
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 5:53 pm to semotruman
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On pot, they generally sit a game on the first offense, and would be dismissed after the 2nd, I think. Could be 3rd.
Which makes you wonder if the Dawgs are suffering from their drug policy and may be part of the reason UK is not so good in football. For UK it probably goes back to the Sonny Collins days (ironically when UK had a good football team) and they were pretty lax. Probation with Curci and the girl who disappeared followed by Drew Thorton landing on a Tennessee driveway and things got strict.
Posted on 6/29/13 at 5:57 pm to Cheese Grits
Unconfirmed that its these players-Corey Batey, Tip McKenzie, Brandon Banks, & Brandon Vandenburg
Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:13 pm to Cheese Grits
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the girl who disappeared followed by Drew Thorton landing on a Tennessee driveway and things got strict.
Did they ever find that girl? That whole thing was messed up.
Pot is pretty cut and dried - you have it, and smoke it, or you don't. And if you have it, you have enough to deal, or you don't. Seems like that could be a standard policy, but then you'd just have schools lying about it.
Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:18 pm to semotruman
I don't think schools should be able to drug test athletes for anything beyond PEDs and common PED masking agents.
Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:29 pm to Robot Santa
I think it's fair to test for anything illegal. But this could be solved if pot was legal. Then it would just be a case of whether it hurt their performance.
Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:37 pm to semotruman
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There are absolutely cases where women falsely accuse. And those cases hurt the victims, their families, their friends...and every woman who is sexually assaulted and afraid to come forward because she fears she won't be believed, or is ashamed, or the guy convinces her it's her fault. Only about 10% of sexual assaults in this country get reported. One in four women will be raped, many before age 21, and most by someone they know. Are there four women in your life that you're close to? Mom, grandmothers, sisters, s/o? Think about that. And most never tell. I can promise you, you've interacted with a lot of sexual assault or rape victims.
Immediately doubting the claim because there are instances where people have been falsely accused isn't the answer. Just wait for the investigation to play out.
I will say though, that the fact Vandy has already dismissed the players is very telling.
Great Post
Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:42 pm to semotruman
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I think it's fair to test for anything illegal.
I don't think it is fair to test them for anything they don't test other scholarship recipients for. PEDs being the only exception, for obvious reasons.
If they are clearly suffering from a substance abuse issue, get them into some sort of rehab or self help program to get it under control. Publicizing it and hurting their chances for future professional careers in their sport of choice is going a bit too far though. The university can't do it to other students, so why should the people on athletic scholarships be held to such a high standard of behavior?
This post was edited on 6/29/13 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:50 pm to Robot Santa
Thanks, Stripes! 
And Santa, I get what you're saying. But I think athletes are held to a higher standard that others because they are far more highly visible than the general student population, or academic scholarship recipients. While all students represent their University to some degree, athletes are public representatives at school, in the community and with the media based on their high profiles. And, the Universities make a lot of money on their athletes, and invest a lot more into them than to regular students. So, expectations are higher. JMO, of course.
And Santa, I get what you're saying. But I think athletes are held to a higher standard that others because they are far more highly visible than the general student population, or academic scholarship recipients. While all students represent their University to some degree, athletes are public representatives at school, in the community and with the media based on their high profiles. And, the Universities make a lot of money on their athletes, and invest a lot more into them than to regular students. So, expectations are higher. JMO, of course.
Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:50 pm to Robot Santa
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I don't think schools should be able to drug test athletes for anything beyond PEDs and common PED masking agents.
Completely disagree.
Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:52 pm to Robot Santa
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Publicizing it and hurting their chances for future professional careers
Most don't. Unspecified team rules.
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The university can't do it to other students, so why should the people on athletic scholarships be held to such a high standard of behavior?
Because they are breaking the law and if the NCAA tests for it the suspension is an entire year.
This post was edited on 6/29/13 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:55 pm to adammwilson
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Because they are breaking the law and if the NCAA tests for it the suspension in an entire year.
Plus, students on athletic scholarships get a lot more benefits than regular students on academic scholarships. They are usually (especially the football players) given special housing, cafeterias, workout facilities, tutors, etc. as a part of their scholarship. Plus a cash stipend. It's basically their job. Most employers drug-test these days, I see this as the same.
This post was edited on 6/29/13 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 6/29/13 at 6:59 pm to CoonassBulldog
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I've always thought it was interesting that rape is considered such a terrible crime- but then when women are asked what their number 1 fantasy is?
Jesus, but coming from you I shouldn't be surprised.
Always gotta dot that I amirite?
Posted on 6/29/13 at 7:00 pm to semotruman
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While all students represent their University to some degree, athletes are public representatives at school, in the community and with the media based on their high profiles.
Failed drug tests are only made public when the player gets suspended for it though. The school doesn't officially say why, but all of that stuff eventually comes out in the wash on message boards and during the lead up to the NFL draft.
Drug use is a victimless crime. I just don't think a harsh response to one or two failed piss tests is appropriate. If a guy fails a couple over the course of 3-5 years of college, then he's just being a normal college student. If he fails a couple every month he probably needs help. Kicking him off the team and out of school isn't the right course of action there.
This post was edited on 6/29/13 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 6/29/13 at 7:03 pm to Robot Santa
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Drug use is a victimless crime.
Not for the seller and consumer.
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I just don't think a harsh response to one or two failed piss tests is appropriate.
How is it not? It's breaking the law.
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. If a guy fails a couple over the course of 3-5 years of college, then he's just being a normal college student.
They aren't tested often. Twice a year maybe at most school?
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Kicking him off the team and out of school isn't the right course of action there.
I agree but sometimes it gives teams an excuse to kick a guy off that isn't earning his keep. That happens more at the D1AA D2 level though. Also though the guy needs to get help if he is caught more than once. You would think schools would give it but they don't always.
Posted on 6/29/13 at 7:07 pm to Shunface
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Jesus, but coming from you I shouldn't be surprised.
so your blaming me that the number 1 fantasy women have is being raped? Ok
Posted on 6/29/13 at 7:13 pm to Robot Santa
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ailed drug tests are only made public when the player gets suspended for it though. The school doesn't officially say why, but all of that stuff eventually comes out in the wash on message boards and during the lead up to the NFL draft.
Drug use is a victimless crime. I just don't think a harsh response to one or two failed piss tests is appropriate. If a guy fails a couple over the course of 3-5 years of college, then he's just being a normal college student. If he fails a couple every month he probably needs help. Kicking him off the team and out of school isn't the right course of action there.
I think we're talking about 2 different issues here. You said earlier you didn't think the school should be able to test them. But what you're talking about here is what they do with that information. Are schools even required to announce when they suspend a player? I've always wondered this.
And, why do you think that info leaks out? Because of their high profile. People are curious, and invested in the team. If they are donors, even more so.
I do agree that kicking them off the team and out of school isn't the right course unless it is a repeated problem and the kid isn't performing to their ability. If this is the case, they need to focus on getting better, not football. I do think drug counseling should be required for anyone who fails.
Bottom line though, even though I don't agree, pot is illegal. Athletes, as high-profile representatives of their universities, should obey the law.
Posted on 6/29/13 at 7:17 pm to semotruman
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Are schools even required to announce when they suspend a player? I've always wondered this.
Not at all. Hence the creation of the "violation of team rules"
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If this is the case, they need to focus on getting better, not football. I do think drug counseling should be required for anyone who fails.
Bottom line though, even though I don't agree, pot is illegal. Athletes, as high-profile representatives of their universities, should obey the law.
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Posted on 6/29/13 at 7:22 pm to CoonassBulldog
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Jesus, but coming from you I shouldn't be surprised.
so your blaming me that the number 1 fantasy women have is being raped? Ok
No, I think he was blaming you for bringing something like this up in a thread about a woman who has allegedly been raped. This seems to imply that you somehow condone the actions, or think that it is in some way the victim's fault - if she fantasized about it, she obviously wanted it, right? So this makes what the players allegedly did OK?
Fantasy is not reality. Women may fantasize, but they don't have a desire to be raped in real life. Many people fantasize about killing their boss, but would never actually do so.
This post was edited on 6/29/13 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 6/29/13 at 7:25 pm to adammwilson
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Not at all. Hence the creation of the "violation of team rules"
If they're not required to announce it, why do they? Just don't comment on it, and if the media notices someone isn't playing, say it was discipline for an internal issue. Seems like coaches unnecessarily draw attention to it when they announce it to the media.
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I just share my opinions and what little info I have. Thanks though!
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