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re: Comparing the SEC : School Size, In-State cost & Out-of-State Cost
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:11 pm to jb4
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:11 pm to jb4
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why doesn't alabama have a lottery like Georgia?
Hasn't been approved due to anti-gambling sentiment.
Personally, I think it's highly regressive and is a way to get poor people (who statistically buy the most tickets and "contribute" the most) pay for mostly middle and upper class kids to go to public school for a free or reduced rate.
This post was edited on 1/28/16 at 1:12 pm
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Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:15 pm to Cheeky Fellow
I'm not trying to get into a debate about Auburn vs. Alabama academically. They are both about equal with different strengths in different programs.
What is weird to me, however, are the acceptance rates. Auburn is at about 80% with 40% of those accepted enrolling, Alabama is at about 50% acceptance with about 55% enrolling.
Has that always been the case?
What is weird to me, however, are the acceptance rates. Auburn is at about 80% with 40% of those accepted enrolling, Alabama is at about 50% acceptance with about 55% enrolling.
Has that always been the case?
This post was edited on 1/28/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:20 pm to UAtide11
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What is weird to me, however, are the acceptance rates. Auburn is at about 80% with 40% of those accepted enrolling, Alabama is at about 50% acceptance with about 55% enrolling.
Has that always been the case?
I honestly have no idea where those numbers come from or the details behind them. And no, they have not always been like that.
My theory is that Alabama has become a "hot" school in big cities to apply to. I think a BUNCH of kids from out of state probably apply, and I think a lot of them probably are on the lower edge of the spectrum and aren't admitted. I would love to see # of applications comparatively to see if that theory holds any water.
If that isn't the case then I really have zero clue.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:23 pm to UAtide11
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What is weird to me, however, are the acceptance rates. Auburn is at about 80% with 40% of those accepted enrolling, Alabama is at about 50% acceptance with about 55% enrolling.
Has that always been the case?
Not to sound all tinfoily, as its true. But bama actually applies for students who dont actually apply themselves. This raises their numbers. They do this to target better applicants and the side effect is increased applicants and better ratios. its not a bad thing as there is a better perception and it actually gets you better students. Bama also, just generally has more in state(some Out of state as well) students apply that are not as qualified for college at either of our programs
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:25 pm to NYCAuburn
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Bama also, just generally has more in state(some Out of state as well) students apply that are not as qualified for college at either of our programs
Yea, I think this is definitely part of it as well. Also, our lower end requirement on the ACT has jumped from 18 to 21 in the last 5-7 years. That is a large chunk of kids who used to get in but don't now, so my guess is those types still apply.
I also wouldn't be shocked if the first part of your post was true as well. They know that the argument against them on the recruiting trail will be "they are pumping up undergraduate enrollment, it is a diploma mill". Best way to counteract that is to say "well, if that was the case, why do we only have 55% admission?"
This post was edited on 1/28/16 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 1/28/16 at 3:01 pm to cardboardboxer
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2. Our real enrollment boom happened in the mid-70s, so it is more like the last 40 years.
How big was it then? I remember A&M being much smaller and would guess you had around 10K back then.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 3:06 pm to redeye
In 1975 it was 24,876.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 3:14 pm to jb4
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Texas A&M is going full diploma mill and destroying the value of their degree.
I realize you're trolling and what you said is hyperbole, but we are trending back toward really rapid enrollment growth again and I'm not sure how I feel about it. Our campus is already overwhelmingly large.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 3:24 pm to Cheeky Fellow
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Out Of State Costs
Tennessee - $30,626
South Carolina - $30,298
Georgia - $29,832
Florida - $28,658
Auburn - $28,040
Texas A&M - $28,021
LSU - $26,236
Missouri - $26,048
Alabama - $25,950
Kentucky - $24,268
Ole Miss - $20,674
Mississippi State - $20,142
If the stuff in the past really cost 25% drop out of state then does Mizzou offer 19,999 for next fall to bring them back?
I can already see the ad slogan.
AAU education at Mississippi prices!
Mizzou needs Tobias Rutherford Jones to pitch this special!
Posted on 1/28/16 at 3:28 pm to jb4
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Texas A&M is going full diploma mill and destroying the value of their degree.
That is an ignorant statement. All of the public schools in Texas are growing. It's about demographics. Some estimates say that the population of Texas grew by 1.8M last year.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 3:32 pm to Cheeky Fellow
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Florida - $6,381
I always think it is funny when people complain about tuition costs in Florida. It is an incredible value, especially at a place like UF given its academic rankings.
This post was edited on 1/28/16 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 1/28/16 at 3:33 pm to bgator85
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I always think it is funny when people complain about tuition costs in Florida
Yea, that is crazy.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 3:35 pm to Cheeky Fellow
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I also wouldn't be shocked if the first part of your post was true as well.
It is. They use it to target students on the higher end of the spectrum. It allows them to get to someone who might not of thought about bama prior.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 3:51 pm to bgator85
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I always think it is funny when people complain about tuition costs in Florida.
You are confused. That is the old retired yankees bitching that their taxes have to be a supplement UF student's tuition when their yankee kids and grandkids all go to a place like Brown.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 4:15 pm to cardboardboxer
A couple thoughts:
1) A more useful stat would be the average debt load upon graduation, ideally broken down by in-state and out-of-state. It would reflect different funding mechanisms, i.e. in GA and FL lotto players subsidize education whereas most other states require the consumer to pay for it.
2) Semester/annual cost is not especially enlightening since it takes varying amounts of time for students to graduate.
Again, average debt load would capture this.
1) A more useful stat would be the average debt load upon graduation, ideally broken down by in-state and out-of-state. It would reflect different funding mechanisms, i.e. in GA and FL lotto players subsidize education whereas most other states require the consumer to pay for it.
2) Semester/annual cost is not especially enlightening since it takes varying amounts of time for students to graduate.
Again, average debt load would capture this.Posted on 1/28/16 at 4:41 pm to Cheeky Fellow
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No they aren't, at all. The lower end of admittance in terms of ACT/GPAs is higher now than it was 10 years ago. Not even really close, actually.
That's why people are getting upset, because "average" Alabama kids are having a harder and harder time getting in there, which is the opposite of your argument.
Ask about the 'special entry" student that have to enroll on probation. Bama doesn't report those numbers to the public. Ask an HS Guidance Counselor, they will tell you the truth about who is getting in. They are taking students with as low as 18 on the ACT, if they meet certain demographics.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 4:43 pm to Irons Puppet
Even if that is the case, they aren't lowering their admissions lower than they were 10 years ago. They are just still allowing some in-state kids in at the same level that was the baseline in 2005.
That wouldn't be shocking. Other states do the same thing to make sure they have representation from the entire state and aren't solely made up of out-of-state and big city suburban kids. UVA has to take a certain number of kids per county/school system, which includes kids from the Southwestern part of the state that would NEVER get in if they lived in Fairfax County.
That wouldn't be shocking. Other states do the same thing to make sure they have representation from the entire state and aren't solely made up of out-of-state and big city suburban kids. UVA has to take a certain number of kids per county/school system, which includes kids from the Southwestern part of the state that would NEVER get in if they lived in Fairfax County.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 4:47 pm to cardboardboxer
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You are confused. That is the old retired yankees bitching that their taxes have to be a supplement UF student's tuition when their yankee kids and grandkids all go to a place like Brown
In that case, they would support tuition increases along with the universities. That hasn't been the way it has played out, it was a pretty big campaign issue in the last election for governor.
This post was edited on 1/28/16 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 1/28/16 at 4:50 pm to Cheeky Fellow
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Hasn't been approved due to anti-gambling sentiment.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 4:58 pm to Cheeky Fellow
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Even if that is the case, they aren't lowering their admissions lower than they were 10 years ago. They are just still allowing some in-state kids in at the same level that was the baseline in 2005.
That wouldn't be shocking. Other states do the same thing to make sure they have representation from the entire state and aren't solely made up of out-of-state and big city suburban kids. UVA has to take a certain number of kids per county/school system, which includes kids from the Southwestern part of the state that would NEVER get in if they lived in Fairfax County.
I understand that happening at Schools like UVA and UT-Austin, when there is such a high demand for entry. The admission percentages might be the same at Bama as it was 10 years ago, but the numbers are much different. The problem is some of these students would have ended up at smaller colleges within Alabama, they are the ones who are feeling the immediate impact of this growth. In the future UA will have to bring in more quality out of state students in order to keep reporting numbers at a respectable figure. The problem is keeping the in-state numbers at or near the 50% mark. With Auburn,UAB and now UAH drawing the quality in-state students, the numbers just do not add up.
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