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re: Colin Cowherd is right about Saban and his a a abuse of bama running backs
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:21 pm to BHMKyle
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:21 pm to BHMKyle
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These games were never in doubt. Ever
That's just stupid. The score was 19-13 with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. It was 22-13 until Henry ended it with 30 seconds left. What would your suggestion have been, let freshman Damian Harris get some work while up 6 pts on the road in a rivalry game in the 2nd half?
The Florida game was 15-7 until 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. Again, tell me your plan. Let the true freshman try his luck in a 1 score SEC Championship Game in the 2nd half against a nasty defense?
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Outside of Clemson and maybe Tennessee, I can't find a game in which the outcome would have possibly changed had he carried the ball 5-7 fewer times.
Yea, unless Harris coughs it up on our own 35 yard line and gives Florida/Auburn a quick easy score (the only way they were going to score, I might add).
Sure, why not. Sounds like a great strategy.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 2:22 pm
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Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:21 pm to TideSaint
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Leonard Fournette averaged 25 carries per game last year as well.
Going back to 2001, Henry's 26.3 carries per game is the most of any SEC back in a season. Fournette's 25 carries per game last season comes in at #2.
I don't have a problem with either of them carrying the ball that many times. Why only question is this: Was it necessary?
In the case of Alabama, in which they rarely struggle to blow teams out, I can't see why it was necessary for an RB to have to carry the ball that many times.
LSU struggled a bit more last year. There were far more closer games for them. When the game is still on the line, you must utilize your best player. If LSU had blown out as many folks as Bama last year, I'd be questioning the necessity of running Fournette so much too. But those teams were far different.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:22 pm to BHMKyle
You realize the only backups down the stretch were two true freshmen, right?
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:23 pm to Aman
Ingram has done OK, but it took Sean Payton threatening to cut/trade him to finally get him going
Lacy was not nearly as effective this year than the previous
Too early on Yeldon or Henry although, I think Henry's career may be much shorter than Yeldon's . Henry is an Earl Campbell type and if someone uses him that way, he'll be used up by the time of the new contract. Yeldon is much more diversified.
Lacy was not nearly as effective this year than the previous
Too early on Yeldon or Henry although, I think Henry's career may be much shorter than Yeldon's . Henry is an Earl Campbell type and if someone uses him that way, he'll be used up by the time of the new contract. Yeldon is much more diversified.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:25 pm to BHMKyle
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LSU struggled a bit more last year. There were far more closer games for them. When the game is still on the line, you must utilize your best player. If LSU had blown out as many folks as Bama last year, I'd be questioning the necessity of running Fournette so much too. But those teams were far different.
What???????
@ Miss St - 28 carries (close game)
vs Auburn - 19 carries (not close)
@ Syracuse - 26 carries (not close)
vs Eastern Michigan - 26 carries (not close)
vs South Carolina - 20 carries (not close)
vs Florida - 31 carries (close game)
vs Western Kentucky - 26 carries (not close)
@ Alabama - 19 carries (closeish)
vs Arkansas - 19 carries (closeish)
@ Ole Miss - 25 carries (close game)
vs Texas A&M - 32 carries (closeish)
vs Texas Tech - 29 carries (not close)
I have no idea what you are talking about. At worst, they had similar games in terms of what was close and their carries. In reality Fournette ran FAR MORE in non-competitive games than Henry did, especially Syracuse, Eastern Michigan, Western Kentucky and Texas Tech.
He averaged 27 carries per game in 4 games that LSU won by an average of 22 pts.
You are just wrong here BHM.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:25 pm to BHMKyle
Check Fournette's carries against scrub teams compared to Henry's. When LSU struggled, they couldn't run Fournette as much because they had to pass. Look at the Arky game.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:27 pm to Aman
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Explain how Ingram and Yeldon are busts?
Lacy is certainly not a bust.
I don't think Ingram's NFL career has been quite as strong as one would have expected it to be, but he's been a strong contributor for several years now. Not a bust by any means.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:34 pm to JuiceTerry
Here's Derrick Henry's total carries/receptions/returns in college compared to some other running backs that a few people may consider halfway decent in the NFL:
Adrian Peterson 779
Marshawn Lynch 591
Derrick Henry 619
Jamaal Charles 582
Le’Veon Bell 760
Adrian Peterson 779
Marshawn Lynch 591
Derrick Henry 619
Jamaal Charles 582
Le’Veon Bell 760
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:35 pm to AU24
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So Cowherd is talking about Saban and his abuse of Alabama running backs being the main reason Bama backs bust in the NFL
Well, he's wrong.
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This stat says alot, Derrick Henry's 26.3 carries per game this season would would have been the most in the history of the NFL for a RB
If an NFL team did that now, they'd lose. The NFL is much different than the NCAA/the style of ball Bama can play with their talent. Regardless, Henry did not take many bad hits. He had a great o-line and usually had big gaps to run through.
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This is just more proof that Saban doesn't give 2 shites about his players.
No, it is not. If you believe this, you'd have to argue Malzahn cares nothing about his players, as Mason (23 att/G), Payne (23 att/G) and Cam (19 att/G) ran the ball a shite ton. Hell, Mason had a game where he ran 46 times, which is the most Henry ever attempted at UA.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:35 pm to wm72
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Here's Derrick Henry's total carries/receptions/returns in college compared to some other running backs that a few people may consider halfway decent in the NFL: Adrian Peterson 779 Marshawn Lynch 591 Derrick Henry 619 Jamaal Charles 582 Le’Veon Bell 760
Fournette - 537
McCaffrey - 507
They still have another full season to go
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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That's just stupid. The score was 19-13 with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.
I don't know the exact stats, but I'm pretty sure that if you take out the tipped 80-yard touchdown Auburn had, they probably had negative yardage for the game... or close to it.
Again, I'm not saying it was necessarily "wrong" to run Henry so many times, but was it necessary? Did Alabama need 46 carries out of Derrick Henry to be able to beat Auburn last year? I highly doubt it.
Had Henry carried the ball 30 times, would Auburn have won?
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The Florida game was 15-7 until 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.
Again, how much offense had Florida generated at that point? Was the game ever in doubt? Did Alabama need to run Henry 44 times in order to beat a mediocre Florida team?
If the argument is that Alabama needed Henry to carry the ball 45 times against a mediocre Florida team and a bad Auburn team in order to win, then that should worry Bama fans headed into next season.
All I'm saying is that Alabama has far too good of a defense and far too many other weapons on offense to have to run a kid 32 times per game against SEC competition. Anyone who thinks that it was absolutely necessary to run the kid that much in order for Bama to win a National Title is not telling the truth. Bama could have had virtually the same season and run the kid 5-7 fewer times every game.
It wasn't wrong or evil, it was just unnecessary in my opinion.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:37 pm to AU24
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Colin Cowherd is right
2013
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“Next year, Auburn’s going to be better than Alabama. Auburn is going to go into Tuscaloosa and beat Alabama. They’re going to beat Florida State. They’re going to win back-to-back national titles.” – Colin Cowherd
2014 Iron Bowl
AU vs FSU
2013
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"I think he's going to be a nightmare," Cowherd said of Malzahn. "I am amazed that Alabama fans aren't concerned about Gus Malzahn."
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"I think Gus Malzahn is going to be a real headache for Nick."
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"I want all you Alabama fans, who love Finebaum and hate me, to know," Cowherd said. "Right now, you're driving around and I'm here to tell you that you're going to start to lose to Gus Malzahn.
Iron Bowl 2014
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Iron Bowl 2015
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:40 pm to BHMKyle
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I'm pretty sure that if you take out the tipped 80-yard touchdown Auburn had, they probably had negative yardage for the game... or close to it.
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Had Henry carried the ball 30 times, would Auburn have won?
It's possible. He got like 5 3rd down conversions, didn't turn the ball over and set us up for most of our scores. If he has 7 less carries do we get those 1st downs? Does Harris/Drake turn the ball over? Do we give Auburn a shorter field? Why on earth would you jeopardize that to sit a guy who wants to play, seems to be plenty fresh and has had limited duty for the past 3 seasons.
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Again, how much offense had Florida generated at that point? Was the game ever in doubt? Did Alabama need to run Henry 44 times in order to beat a mediocre Florida team? If the argument is that Alabama needed Henry to carry the ball 45 times against a mediocre Florida team and a bad Auburn team in order to win, then that should worry Bama fans headed into next season.
Again, they were one score games. One score means any number of things. Teams generally don't sit their best player, the Heisman Trophy winner, in 1 score games against rivals/title game foes for true freshmen who they don't exactly trust.
Derrick has less tread on his tires than the majority of the other backs in this draft and other drafts because 2015 was his only full load season at Alabama. He didn't average 300 carries a season, he had 1 season with 300+ carries and 2 seasons with much, much, much less. I, and Saban, would rather have had a 2nd back, but we had 3 guys leave and ended up with 2 true freshman and a slot/scat back in Drake.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:40 pm to AU24
McKay at USC
"He is not in a union. He can carry the ball as many times as we want him to." -- after O.J. Simpson carried the ball 38 times in a game.
OJ averaged 34 carries a game his Heisman year.
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I think he did pretty good in the pros.
You're not a pro bust because of too many carries.
"He is not in a union. He can carry the ball as many times as we want him to." -- after O.J. Simpson carried the ball 38 times in a game.
OJ averaged 34 carries a game his Heisman year.
....
I think he did pretty good in the pros.
You're not a pro bust because of too many carries.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:51 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Here's Derrick Henry's total carries/receptions/returns in college compared to some other running backs that a few people may consider halfway decent in the NFL: Adrian Peterson 779 Marshawn Lynch 591 Derrick Henry 619 Jamaal Charles 582 Le’Veon Bell 760
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Fournette - 537
McCaffrey - 507
They still have another full season to go
So Fournette just likes 82 carries beating out Henry's as the all-time abused SEC running back for carrying too much in college?
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:52 pm to AU24
But Miles with Fournette's 25 carries per game is a humanitarian, right?
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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At worst, they had similar games in terms of what was close and their carries. In reality Fournette ran FAR MORE in non-competitive games than Henry did, especially Syracuse, Eastern Michigan, Western Kentucky and Texas Tech.
Part of the reason you can't see it is because your benchmark for what a "close game" is changes when you are looking at Alabama and then when you look at LSU.
You say Alabama's games against Auburn and Florida were close, even though they were never in doubt to anyone who watched those games.
Yet you say LSU's games against Syracuse, WKU, and Texas Tech were not close.
LSU only led Syracuse by a single touchdown (24-17) with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter.
LSU only led Western Kentucky by just 4 points (17-13) midway through the 3rd quarter.
LSU only led Texas Tech by 1 point (21-20) midway through the 3rd quarter.
You would have called all these games "close" had it been Bama, but you call them "not close" because it was LSU.
You call the LSU-Texas A&M game "closeish" when LSU extended their lead to more than 6 points for the first time with just 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter! The game was within 6 point the entire time!
The bottom line is this: Henry averaged 32 carries per game in SEC games. Fournette averaged 24 carries per game in SEC games.
Alabama was 8-1 in SEC games last year
LSU was 5-3 in SEC games last year
Obviously LSU struggled far more at times than Alabama did... and they never once ran Fournette more than 32 times in a game. Alabama twice ran Henry at least 44 times in a game.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 2:59 pm to BHMKyle
When do you run more, ahead or behind? Bama was protecting leads and burning clock by running Henry. Down the stretch they ran him more because there was not an experienced backup and he's a stud. Quit being so hard headed. It's pretty simple.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 3:00 pm to BHMKyle
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LSU only led Syracuse by a single touchdown (24-17) with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter. LSU only led Western Kentucky by just 4 points (17-13) midway through the 3rd quarter. LSU only led Texas Tech by 1 point (21-20) midway through the 3rd quarter.
You are saying that games in which Alabama led by less than a TD late in the 3rd or early 4th quarter aren't close, but are pointing to scores mid-way through the 3rd quarter as proving those games were close.
I mean, come on..........
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The bottom line is this: Henry averaged 32 carries per game in SEC games. Fournette averaged 24 carries per game in SEC games.
Fournette averaged 27 touches per game vs Power 5 teams
Henry averaged 30 touches per game vs Power 5 teams
On top of that, Fournette will average the same if not more next season. Henry only had 1 season like that. Henry averaged 17 touches in 2014 and 3 in 2013.
This is a really silly argument that would not (and has not, does not) exist for any other program/team/player.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 3:04 pm to BHMKyle
While in college,
Derrick Henry rushed 602 times for 3591 yards
Herschel Walker rushed 994 times for 5259 yards
Bo Jackson rushed 650 times for 4303 yards
Darren McFadden rushed 785 for 4590 yards
Who has the most mileage on them?
Derrick Henry rushed 602 times for 3591 yards
Herschel Walker rushed 994 times for 5259 yards
Bo Jackson rushed 650 times for 4303 yards
Darren McFadden rushed 785 for 4590 yards
Who has the most mileage on them?
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