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re: Coker or Sims?
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:21 pm to chattabama
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:21 pm to chattabama
quote:Exactly, sorta. The OP singles out 1 of these QBs.
You can't hint that Coker lost the OM game for us with his two turnovers without also putting Sims in the same boat for his three turnovers in the tOSU game.
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:21 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Exactly, sorta. The OP singles out 1 of these QBs.
And the rest of y'all single out the other QB.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:22 pm to chattabama
I said I loved Coker and he was a ballsy player, all of which is true. But I think trying to make him out as some amazing qb who could sling it over the field actually diminishes what I like most about him his grit and toughness and passion and that helped him step up and play beyond himself (along with a few busted coverages) but saying that doesn't take anything away from him or what he accomplished.
Now having said that, going in to a new season, I'll take anither ballsey player who happens to be a better passer IMO. I don't think one game defines who Blake Sims was for Alabama.
They have very similar stories and I think the experience in the 2014 probably helped the entire team go in to 2015 with a different mindset. Just my opinion.
Now having said that, going in to a new season, I'll take anither ballsey player who happens to be a better passer IMO. I don't think one game defines who Blake Sims was for Alabama.
They have very similar stories and I think the experience in the 2014 probably helped the entire team go in to 2015 with a different mindset. Just my opinion.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:25 pm to chattabama
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The question is which QB would you take. I'm going to take the one who plays better in the big game. I was using stats to disprove the theory that we won it all due to defense and our rushing attack.
I will never understand why Alabama fans disrespect Coker's body of work when what he did was exceptional, particularly when all the chips were down. Coker is a winner. I don't know why that is so hard for Bama fans to admit.
Seriously how do you think Sims wouldn't have done better if he played in a game with a as many busted coverages as Clemson gave up?
And you like Coker becuase you think he's a better winner? The defense and Henry had more to do with Bama winning ALL the games that they did. Neither QBs won games single handily. I don't think any Bama fan including me doesn't have respect for Coker.
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:27 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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I'll take anither ballsey player who happens to be a better passer IMO. I don't think one game defines who Blake Sims was for Alabama.
I can see where you'd want Sims, but I think Coker is just as good, if not better. Sims played his heart out at UA, but he isn't necessarily more talented than Coker. An objective view of this is to watch the upcoming draft. Sims has had trouble finding a consistent landing spot in CFL whereas Coker is projected to be drafted in the late rounds, and likely will make a practice squad at the minimum.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:35 pm to chattabama
quote:No no no, we're simply explaining that both QBs had games in which they made costly mistakes.
And the rest of y'all single out the other QB.
And the question here is which one would we take. Neither played enough big games(because they only played 1 season) to really know if they're amazing or shite in them. After what I saw throughout both seasons, I'm pretty sure I'd rather have Sims.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:46 pm to ReauxlTide222
They're different style QBs and I would choose one or the other based on the strengths and weaknesses of our team that year. Both guys were great leaders, tough guys and had huge clutch moments. Both won titles, even though Coker got the big one. Isn't it cool to argue about which championship QB we would prefer from recent teams? Heck, every starting QB we've had since GMac in 2009 has won at least an SEC title. 4 straight QBs...let that sink in.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:49 pm to tider04
That's why I'm enjoying this discussion. It's a win win.
I'd love for other fans to chime in on this. They can probably be more objective.
As for choosing one of them depending on the strength of the team...that's why I think Sims is better. He'd have been perfect for this past team. Hitting deep balls like he could would have made them unreal. He also seemed to run Kiffin's offense with more fluidity.
I'd love for other fans to chime in on this. They can probably be more objective.
As for choosing one of them depending on the strength of the team...that's why I think Sims is better. He'd have been perfect for this past team. Hitting deep balls like he could would have made them unreal. He also seemed to run Kiffin's offense with more fluidity.
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 2/12/16 at 11:23 pm to ReauxlTide222
One thing I think Coker had more mastery of the offense from a presnap perspective. Probably from being in the system longer
Posted on 2/13/16 at 12:29 am to Sneaky__Sally
Coker won the National Championship, Sims lost in the playoffs. Fair or unfair, QBS are judged by winning.
Give me Coker and it's not close
Give me Coker and it's not close
Posted on 2/13/16 at 12:31 am to ReauxlTide222
We never could really get in the huddle with Sims at QB. Fluidity wouldn't be the word I'd use for his grasp of the offense.
Posted on 2/13/16 at 7:18 am to aspiclark
Gmac and Coker are better than deshaun Watson by some of the logic in here
Posted on 2/13/16 at 7:34 am to Sneaky__Sally
Y'all keep saying I'm pointing out the turnovers that Sims had but not Coker. Let me try to clarify what I meant: I meant Coker never had a game where the game was pretty close all along and he wasn't forced to throw and then he threw a crucial interception that cost us the game. The ole miss game, the whole team played bad and we had to force throws. Sims, on the other hand threw 3 picks against OSU and we had a 15 point lead at one point and it was only a 7 point lead for OSU on the last drive. Those picks he threw were very critical. Especially being in the playoffs. The other 3 he threw against Auburn were bad as well. We were down 2 scores I think at the end of the 3rd. If we hadn't of had Amari Cooper that game, I don't think we would've won. Either way, that's one bad game for Coker and 2 for Sims. I also remember if u go back and watch the Arkansas game we won 14-13, Sims was hitting Arkansas in the chest with the ball all night. I just think Coker was better, not statistically, but I would take him to lead my team any day
Posted on 2/13/16 at 9:00 am to cmayes56
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Coker won the National Championship, Sims lost in the playoffs. Fair or unfair, QBS are judged by winning.
Give me Coker and it's not close
You're a clown. That's like saying Coker is better than Deshawn Watson, because "well... Coker's team won!".
Forget the fact if Coker played with the defense Sims had to play with we would have lost 4 games and never went to the SEC title talk much the NCG.
If Sims had that greatest of all-time defensive line and better db play we would have beat OSU and destroyed Oregon.
Don't let those facts stop you though.
Posted on 2/13/16 at 9:09 am to tiderider
quote:You make a good point. I'd like to have seen Sims in a 2nd year under Kiffin's control...he'd surely have been much more polished and poised.
i'd take a 2nd year sims over a 3rd yr aj every time ... sims learned how to play qb and had the ability to make huge plays running it ...
This post was edited on 2/13/16 at 9:10 am
Posted on 2/13/16 at 9:40 am to cmayes56
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Coker won the National Championship, Sims lost in the playoffs. Fair or unfair, QBS are judged by winning.
Give me Coker and it's not close
I'd understand if you're saying he's better but not by much. However you saying he's much better than Sims because he won one more game (which is a team effort anyway) is absurd. In what areas is Coker good at that makes him clearly better than Sims?
Posted on 2/13/16 at 9:40 am to Bamafan15
toss up,SIMS
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