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re: Coker or Sims?
Posted on 2/12/16 at 9:52 pm to aspiclark
Posted on 2/12/16 at 9:52 pm to aspiclark
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If Sims had played Michigan state instead of osu and had the 2015 defense instead of the 2014 version, it might be a fair comparison. as it stands it's disingenuous at best.
What about comparing tOSU to Clemson? Very comparable teams.
tOSU ended the year ranked #3 in total defense. Clemson is ranked #2.
Both games the defense did not do well. They gave up 537 yards to tOSU and 550 yards to Clemson.
Which quarterback's stats would you rather have for a big game?
QB A: 22/36 237 yards 61% 2 TD 3 INT
QB B: 16/25 335 yards 64% 2 TD 0 INT
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 9:53 pm
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 9:53 pm to chattabama
That is like saying Eli is better than brady based on the two super bowls they played one another.
If the question is who played better in the post season. I agree Coker did.
If the question is who played better in the post season. I agree Coker did.
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 2/12/16 at 9:57 pm to Sneaky__Sally
I'll continue with the stats.
"Alabama has a better running game this year. That is why they won the title."
Combined rushing against tOSU (minus Sims)
23 carries 142 yards: 6.17 ypc
Combined rushing against Clemson:
37 carries 159 yards 4.3 ypc.
Hmm...So the rushing attack wasn't any better in the Clemson game, and the defense wasn't any better either. I wonder what made the difference between the two games?
"Alabama has a better running game this year. That is why they won the title."
Combined rushing against tOSU (minus Sims)
23 carries 142 yards: 6.17 ypc
Combined rushing against Clemson:
37 carries 159 yards 4.3 ypc.
Hmm...So the rushing attack wasn't any better in the Clemson game, and the defense wasn't any better either. I wonder what made the difference between the two games?
Posted on 2/12/16 at 9:59 pm to chattabama
Couldn't finish reading that post because it missed my point. I'm not trying to compare the games. I only said it that way to illustrate how absurd it is to evaluate players that way. My point is that Sims did not lose us the OSU game and Coker did not win us the Clemson game. The teams did; it's a team game. They were on different teams.
This whole argument about one being better than the other because one went all the way and the other fell short just makes no sense. Granted it's really the only argument for Coker as the better qb since Sims put up mugh better numbers while being asked to shoulder much more of the load on a worse team than Coker was. (After he beat out Coker in a head to head competition.)
If you like Coker more just because you like him, cool, I get it. But this "Sims cost us games and Coker is a winner." just doesn't make any sense to me. Don't see how anybody that watched the two play could think that.
This whole argument about one being better than the other because one went all the way and the other fell short just makes no sense. Granted it's really the only argument for Coker as the better qb since Sims put up mugh better numbers while being asked to shoulder much more of the load on a worse team than Coker was. (After he beat out Coker in a head to head competition.)
If you like Coker more just because you like him, cool, I get it. But this "Sims cost us games and Coker is a winner." just doesn't make any sense to me. Don't see how anybody that watched the two play could think that.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:00 pm to chattabama
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Which quarterback's stats would you rather have for a big game?
QB A: 22/36 237 yards 61% 2 TD 3 INT
QB B: 16/25 335 yards 64% 2 TD 0 INT
Since we're looking at this one game Sims didn't also have the advantage of 2 HUGE busted corvages that lead to 2 TDs. I'm pretty sure that would've helped his stats out.
Again how could Sims not put up similar if not better numbers if he had been in Coker's sitution?
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:01 pm to chattabama
what is this obsession with using single game stats for 2 different teams with no common opponents? in stats you want a larger sample size, not a smaller one. And with no common opponents, using individual stats from 2 different teams is a meaningless comparison statistically anyway.
alright I've had enough. have a good Friday bros.
alright I've had enough. have a good Friday bros.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:01 pm to chattabama
quote:I don't think anybody is saying that. When comparing their seasons, it's pretty close. Coker's last 2 games make it close. Without those(I know it's not really fair to take them away from him), Sims wins this easily.
this logic. Sims throws a bubble screen to one of tGOAT Alabama WRs and Sims is awesome, but Coker stands in the pocket, takes a big hit to get the ball out to OJ Howard, is just a great play by Howard and Kiffin.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:02 pm to chattabama
How about you acknowledge the fact that nobody is saying Sims played better in the playoffs. Or that even with all that if in 2014 we have a kick return for a td and an onsides kick we probably win.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:03 pm to aspiclark
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The teams did; it's a team game. They were on different teams.
But what was different about the team? I've already shown the defense played better against tOSU than against Clemson, the rushing attack was better against tOSU than against Clemson.
You can't hint that Coker lost the OM game for us with his two turnovers without also putting Sims in the same boat for his three turnovers in the tOSU game.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:06 pm to chattabama
The OM thing was brought probably because it's the first thing that pops in to everyone's mind when you read the OP and it says Coker never made costly turnovers. I'm done arguing this. Love both of these championship qbs
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:07 pm to chattabama
it was literally a different team. teams change a lot year to year in college. players improve, 25% roster turnover, different coaches, different schemes, different tendencies. we were a very different team this year on both offense and defense.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:08 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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Or that even with all that if in 2014 we have a kick return for a td
Or how about Sims not throwing a pick six? Do you think that would have made a difference in that game?
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onsides kick
Meaningless unless we convert it into points. We could have just as easily stalled out at midfield and had to have an Adam Griffith wing and a prayer field goal. I forget what happened after the onside kick. Did Howard throw himself the ball?
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:08 pm to aspiclark
He probably just doesn't like seeing a black bama qb
Before anyone gets upset, that was a joke. Good night
Before anyone gets upset, that was a joke. Good night
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:09 pm to chattabama
and I didn't hint that Coker cost us the ole miss game. in fact if you read my posts I've repeated this like 10 times now. I don't believe in qb wins and losses.
the reason I brought up Coker's interceptions in the ole miss game is because op said he never made costly turnovers that contributed to us losing games, when he indisputably did.
the reason I brought up Coker's interceptions in the ole miss game is because op said he never made costly turnovers that contributed to us losing games, when he indisputably did.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:09 pm to chattabama
Gotta agree with chattabama.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:11 pm to chattabama
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But what was different about the team?
OJ Howard.
If Kiffin had featured Howard as a receiver more and if OSU completely ignored OJ repeatedly allowing him to get wide open for THREE 40+ yds receptions Sim's numbers would've been way better and Bama would've won.
Instead they played a very sound defense unlike Clemson who came into the game having being ranked in the bottom half in the nation of 30+ passes given up.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:11 pm to chattabama
Holy fricking shite it's like talking to a brick wall. One last time, read along now, the question isnt who played better in the post season. One more time. It. Is. Not. A. Question. About. A. Single. Game.
Also if the henry had carried 36 time Sims wouldn't have been throwing on that play and the pick wouldn't have happened.
Also if the henry had carried 36 time Sims wouldn't have been throwing on that play and the pick wouldn't have happened.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:14 pm to Sneaky__Sally
you're on your own at this point my man. lol.
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:14 pm to aspiclark
I thought that was a good line
Posted on 2/12/16 at 10:15 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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Holy fricking shite it's like talking to a brick wall. One last time, read along now, the question isnt who played better in the post season. One more time. It. Is. Not. A. Question. About. A. Single. Game.
The question is which QB would you take. I'm going to take the one who plays better in the big game. I was using stats to disprove the theory that we won it all due to defense and our rushing attack.
I will never understand why Alabama fans disrespect Coker's body of work when what he did was exceptional, particularly when all the chips were down. Coker is a winner. I don't know why that is so hard for Bama fans to admit.
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