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re: Coach Cal MUST win next years championship?

Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:28 am to
Posted by Bellabama
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:28 am to
Sometimes people have to realize they can lose to make them play to win. It's not brain science. It happened to Alabama football in 2010, and when people get cocky enough, it'll happen again. Good coaches lose sometimes.

Anyone who has played sports realizes this.
Posted by WAOMrebears
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 12:55 pm to
An elite eight, final four, and a championship... He also has recruiting violations at two different colleges while doing exactly what he is doing at Kentucky (bringing top talent in year after year). If you can find any recruiting violations against Freeze from past coaching jobs, by all means post them in here. Cal is a dirty coach and everyone knows it. He does not coach kids but rather gets the top talent and puts them on the floor. He runs an NBA offense in college.
Posted by McRebel42
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 12:59 pm to
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But yeah, a guy that has had an Elight Eight, Final Four, and a NC in 3 out of 4 years is just "average".


C'mon Belle ...
Posted by McRebel42
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:00 pm to
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WAOMrebears


You can't be real ... no self-respecting Ole Miss fan would put WAOM on anything if they knew better ... you have to be an alter.
This post was edited on 4/9/13 at 1:03 pm
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:01 pm to
Leave my typos alone.
Posted by McRebel42
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:03 pm to
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:03 pm to
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An elite eight, final four, and a championship... He also has recruiting violations at two different colleges while doing exactly what he is doing at Kentucky (bringing top talent in year after year).


Kentucky has been bringing in top talent even without Cal. Moot point.

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If you can find any recruiting violations against Freeze from past coaching jobs, by all means post them in here. Cal is a dirty coach and everyone knows it.


Using that logic, if you can find any that name Calipari directly have at it.

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He does not coach kids but rather gets the top talent and puts them on the floor. He runs an NBA offense in college.


If it was just putting talent on the floor then Scott Drew would have a championship at Baylor by now. Except Cal coaches. He's not a top X's and O's guy, but your "he just rolls the balls out" makes it pretty clear you know dick about college basketball. Especially since Cal hasn't even run the dribble drive every year he's been at Kentucky.
Posted by WAOMrebears
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:08 pm to
If you're trying to compare Baylor talent to Kentucky talent, then you don't know dick about basketball. (see what I did there)
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:08 pm to
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If it was just putting talent on the floor then Scott Drew would have a championship at Baylor by now. Except Cal coaches. He's not a top X's and O's guy, but your "he just rolls the balls out" makes it pretty clear you know dick about college basketball. Especially since Cal hasn't even run the dribble drive every year he's been at Kentucky.


LOL. Cal was out x and o'd with his final four team by John Pelphrey, that means he just rolls the ball out on the court and knows dick about x's and o's.

Pelphrey.
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:08 pm to
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If you're trying to compare Baylor talent to Kentucky talent, then you don't know dick about basketball. (see what I did there)



Do you know how hard it is to start for Baylor?

People have killed to making the starting 5 at Baylor, it is that tough...
Posted by WAOMrebears
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:11 pm to
And Kentucky did not pull in the talent that they are now. There has never been a strand of years with this good of recruiting classes. Never. If you think that just because its "Kentucky" and every kid wants to play for Kentucky then you are very misled. Where were all these kids "just wanting to play for Kentucky" in '01-'07?
Posted by DaleDenton
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:13 pm to
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Where were all these kids "just wanting to play for Kentucky" in '01-'07?


The NBA...
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:17 pm to
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Cal is a dirty coach and everyone knows it.


Proof?
Posted by UMTigerRebel
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:19 pm to
Coach Cal paid 232k for bonus received from vacated season

Not trying to flame Belle. I definitely don't think Coach Cal is an average coach. I attended Memphis in its' era of basketball irrelevance (96-01). I remember him being hired, and you would have thought he was the second coming of Jesus. Coach Cal did wonders for the program, and Pastner's doing a decent job in his footsteps.

When he left, fans were sad, but realized he was taking his dream job. The shite hit the fan when the Derrick Rose scandal broke shortly after. You would be hard pressed to find a Coach Cal fan in Memphis now, not because he left, but because when he did, he took everything with him.

There is no actual proof of him being involved, but most people don't think he didn't at least know about it.
This post was edited on 4/9/13 at 1:57 pm
Posted by WAOMrebears
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:22 pm to
Two vacated Final Fours? Left both schools as soon as pressure from the NCAA began to creep up. I'd say most coaches who have that on their resume would be considered a dirty coach. Whether they could prove he knew about it or not, it was his job TO know about it. Any logical human being knows he knew about the it.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:39 pm to
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Two vacated Final Fours? Left both schools as soon as pressure from the NCAA began to creep up. I'd say most coaches who have that on their resume would be considered a dirty coach. Whether they could prove he knew about it or not, it was his job TO know about it. Any logical human being knows he knew about the it.


You should stop posting, and trying to make a point that isn't there. There was no evidence Cal knew that Marcus Camby took any money or had any interaction from an agent, and the same with Derrick Rose's SAT score.

You can say all you want that "it's a coaches job to know", and I don't know anyone who thinks differently, but if you have ever been in an environment where kids are exposed to agents/boosters, etc. then you would know that it's impossible for a coach to know what each of their players is doing 24/7/365, regardless of how closely you monitor them.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:52 pm to
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Do you know how hard it is to start for Baylor? People have killed to making the starting 5 at Baylor, it is that tough...


:rimshot:

I totally shouldn't have laughed at that but I did.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 1:55 pm to
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There is no actual proof of him being involved, but most people don't think he didn't at least know about it.


And that's fair. I'm just saying it's a big assumption that he's doing the same thing at Kentucky, especially in such a big spotlight. If the NCAA could pop Kentucky they'd do it in a heartbeat. They have before. They even went so far as to make Cal give back his 500 win celebration basketball the University gave him because it included vacated wins.

ETA: That all said, the "he can't coach" comments are as absurd as always. If you're going to acknowledge this season you also have to acknowledge that it's not as simple as putting talent out there or he wouldn't have been in the NIT this year.
This post was edited on 4/9/13 at 1:57 pm
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 2:02 pm to
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And Kentucky did not pull in the talent that they are now. There has never been a strand of years with this good of recruiting classes. Never. If you think that just because its "Kentucky" and every kid wants to play for Kentucky then you are very misled. Where were all these kids "just wanting to play for Kentucky" in '01-'07?


One and done rule started in 2006. From '01-'05 most prospects went straight out of high school.
Posted by McRebel42
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Posted on 4/9/13 at 2:13 pm to
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And that's fair. I'm just saying it's a big assumption that he's doing the same thing at Kentucky, especially in such a big spotlight.


The reason why it isn't happening is because he is at Kentucky and doesn't have to cheat there to get who he wants. If he had to he would ... JMO.
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