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Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:13 pm to Bham4Tide
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Maybe go after one big fish, aka, Louisville?
That is what I am thinking. How long ago was the stripper scandal?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:23 pm to higgs_boson
Within 2 years. The more I read, the more Louisville looks downright awful . . .
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:24 pm to dehsloot
Wow. Very little here is of interest to my wife, but Chuck used to live a block over from us here in S.A. and his daughter Tiffany came over to play with ours regularly.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:25 pm to Bham4Tide
Yeah.
It is really curious. I think the FBI is not that concerned about amateur rules that the NCAA has, but it looks the discovery of their main investigation is putting Louisville squarely in the crosshairs.
It is really curious. I think the FBI is not that concerned about amateur rules that the NCAA has, but it looks the discovery of their main investigation is putting Louisville squarely in the crosshairs.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:50 pm to PearlJam
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There is no real innocent party here that was defrauded out of money, so I doubt guys without any criminal history get hammered that hard.
Maybe you get someone for "structuring" and maybe wire/mail fraud (Hard stretch IMHO) . I'm trying to find a victim in all of this. The young players and their families benefited and were not made to be indebted or shook down. There may be some coach who is indebted via a loan, but he knew what he was in for. The only people out money are the sugar daddys who were looking to position themselves to get a chunk of some kid's money once he went pro.
I doubt that this thing only involves college basketball.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 3:54 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Even that guy isn't out any money in this because he was working with the FBI the whole time and getting the money from them.
The only people out money are the sugar daddys who were looking to position themselves to get a chunk of some kid's money once he went pro.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:04 pm to PearlJam
I'm trying to figure out where the crime is. Bank fraud for structuring? Wire fraud for discussions on the phone? But even then, I'm allowed legally to take money if I am a college athlete ( NCAA is something else). I'm also legally allowed if I am an assistant coach to be paid to influence....so long as I don't make threats or engage in violence.
I'm trying to figure out any egregious violations of the US code that would be of import to the people of te United States
Auburn cheated in recruiting..... So what? from a legal perspective
Chuck Person cheated.....So?
USC cheated?.....Who cares from a legal standpoint
Adidas used money to get potential stars to wear their stuff once the make it pro.....OK
I'm trying to figure out any egregious violations of the US code that would be of import to the people of te United States
Auburn cheated in recruiting..... So what? from a legal perspective
Chuck Person cheated.....So?
USC cheated?.....Who cares from a legal standpoint
Adidas used money to get potential stars to wear their stuff once the make it pro.....OK
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:06 pm to KiwiHead
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Auburn cheated in recruiting..... So what? from a legal perspective
It appears Louisville is the only school who bought players. The rest were being paid to steer players to certain agents/financial managers when they turned pro.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:06 pm to KiwiHead
Bribery, wire fraud
quote:Doesn't involve recruits. Just an assistant coach accepting bribes to steer players to an fbi informant/money manager.
Auburn cheated in recruiting..... So what? from a legal perspective
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:07 pm to PearlJam
That is the cliff version?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:07 pm to KiwiHead
This was from Al.com.
I think this is more about what he did with an athlete once the kid was in school not in recruiting? I would think he is on the hook with the IRS as well.
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Person, who has been on Bruce Pearl's staff at Auburn since 2014, is facing six charges, including bribery conspiracy, solicitation of bribes and gratuities, conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and travel act conspiracy, according to court documents.
I think this is more about what he did with an athlete once the kid was in school not in recruiting? I would think he is on the hook with the IRS as well.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:07 pm to CaptainBrannigan
You could read the 34 page complaint instead.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:13 pm to PearlJam
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Doesn't involve recruits. Just an assistant coach accepting bribes to steer players to an fbi informant/money manager.
So now we are wasting time and the taxpayer dollar to go after assistant coaches who are steering these kids to an agent? This USA in Manhattan is trying to use the bribery statutes saying it's against the law for a school that receives federal funds from taking a "bribe".
I'm not seeing the "injury" here. If you are going to do this, then you are going to have to go after football as well. I can guarantee that this happens in college football....in fact, I know it does.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:16 pm to warau
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Um, Austin Wiley doesn't have a stepfather.
That is what I thought. Player 1 is Daniel Purifoy, Player 2 is unknown.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:16 pm to KiwiHead
quote:my take is that it looks as if they had an informant with ties to professional athletes they wanted to flip to expose the corruption in college basketball recruiting related apparel companies and this is what they have uncovered so far. Guy worked with them for almost 3 years, so I guess it was time to cut him loose and charge the ones they could charge.
So now we are wasting time and the taxpayer dollar to go after assistant coaches who are steering these kids to an agent? This USA in Manhattan is trying to use the bribery statutes saying it's against the law for a school that receives federal funds from taking a "bribe".
I'm not seeing the "injury" here. If you are going to do this, then you are going to have to go after football as well. I can guarantee that this happens in college football....in fact, I know it does.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:19 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:Did Purifoy surprisingly join the team in January? Was he the 9th rated recruit in the country?
Player 1 is Daniel Purifoy
Pretty sure Wiley fits the bill more closely for player 1.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:21 pm to warau
quote:I'll have to pull it back up later, but I think the fbi agent swearing out the affidavit said something about him presuming the guy to be a step father.
Um, Austin Wiley doesn't have a stepfather.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:24 pm to PearlJam
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expose the corruption in college basketball recruiting related apparel companies and this is what they have uncovered so far. Guy worked with them for almost 3 years, so I guess it was time to cut him loose and charge the ones they could charge.
I read the indictments and if this is all they have after 3 years...they wasted the taxpayer's money.
I'm not an Auburn fan and I don't have dog in this fight, but I was once a lawyer and I just don't see the injury here to anyone .
Yes, everyone here is corrupt from Person and the other coaches to the kids and their parents to the apparel companies, but at worst they are corrupt morally? I don't see it
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:33 pm to KiwiHead
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'm not an Auburn fan and I don't have dog in this fight, but I was once a lawyer and I just don't see the injury here to anyone .
Federal statutes make it illegal for someone employed by an organization getting federal money to accept bribes.
These coaches took bribes, their schools get federal grants so the 'injured party' is the United States of America. Just because you don't think the case warranted federal investigation and prosecution isn't relevant. That's the law and they appear to have broken it.
Many people don't see a 'victim' in prostitution, but mess up and accidentally pick the undercover cop when you're out cruising for a beej and your photo's going to be in the next day's paper.
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