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Cliffs of Chuck Person allegations for those that care (Updated)

Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:29 pm
Posted by PearlJam
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:29 pm
Confidential Witness 1 (CW1) = money manager that services professional athletes and who plead guilty in Sept. '17 to securities fraud, wire fraud, aggravated identity theft, and making false statements. He began working as a witness for the FBI in November '14.

Rashan Michel = co-defendant with Person, runs a bespkoe suit company in Atlanta and previously worked as an NBA and college ref.

Chuck Person = defendant, AU assistant coach, former AU and NBA player, and former NBA assistant coach

What allegedly happened?

CW1 was introduced to Michel through a mutual friend who is a sports agent. CW1 told the sports agent he was willing to pay to get players steered to him.

In September '16, CW1 and Michel have phone call about coaches who would take payments to steer players to CW1. Michel says there is a coach that needs a $60k loan and would steer players to him.

On November 29, 2016, Person meet with CW1 and Michel about the bribery scheme. Person told CW1 that AU had the 9th ranked player coming to AU and nobody knew yet that he would begin playing at AU in January.

After the meeting, Person was paid $5000 in cash and then sent a text message regarding another $5000 to be wired.

On December 12th, Person and Player 1 met with CW1 who Person introduced as a financial advisor. P1 told CW1 that whatever Person "was good with, I'm good with, I trust him 100 percent"

Person told P1 not to discuss the meeting with anyone (including sisters and teammates) other than his mother and step father.

During this meeting, outside the presence of P1, Person was given $15k.

December 17, Person tells P1's mother that he has talked to a bunch of nba people and P1 will go 1st round in the next draft. Invites P1's mother to meet a financial advisor at Person's house. Lied to P1's mother saying CW1 was a financial advisor to Person and Charles Barkley. Person also claimed Person wasn't benefiting in any way from this.

Person told P1's mother no one could know about it.

P1's mother and step father met with Person and CW1 and were told he was a financial advisor and he would invest P1's money when he made the nba in June. Until then, CW1 would give them a few thousand dollars each month. CW1 gave them $1000 that day.

On December 27th, Person received another 10k from CW1 and on Jan 12th he received another 11.5k.

In January Person sets up Mother 2 of Player 2 (believed to be Mustapha Heron) with CW1 and tells her CW1 will make payments to her now, but that since he was an advisor and not an agent, it wasn't illegal.

Person ultimately received $91,500 from CW1 and allegedly gave 11k of that to P1's mother and $7500 to Player 2's mother.

Edited: After reading the allegations a little more closely, it appears P1 is not Austin Wiley. The way the allegations read, Person discussed Wiley with CW1 on the phone and then subsequently met in NY with CW1 and Player 1. While the context of the allegations leads one to believe the player discussed on the phone is the same one that meets CW1 in NY, it isn't 100 percent spelled out that way. Also, Wiley joined AU the week after that first meeting and I don't think he traveled to NY with the team.

Process of elimination would lead one to guess P1 is Purifoy or Heron.

P2 is likely Purifoy, Heron or Wiley.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 5:07 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:38 pm to
What kind of jail time will these people receive? Seems very white collar'ish. 2 years or so?
Posted by lowspark12
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:41 pm to
They'll make examples of these dudes... they're gonna take plea deals but still get hit with significant time.
Posted by Fear The Thumb
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:42 pm to
Another Jay Jacobs hire implosion, Fire JJ!!!
Posted by RT1941
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:45 pm to
Bruce hired Chuck, right?
Posted by dehsloot
Sunshine State
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:46 pm to
WTF Chuck?
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:47 pm to
Yes.
Posted by dehsloot
Sunshine State
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

Bruce hired Chuck, right?


He is the head coach.
Posted by dehsloot
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:50 pm to
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

What kind of jail time will these people receive? Seems very white collar'ish. 2 years or so?




No. The feds hammer white collar.

Person is looking at 20 federal.
Posted by PearlJam
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

No. The feds hammer white collar.

Person is looking at 20 federal.
There is no real innocent party here that was defrauded out of money, so I doubt guys without any criminal history get hammered that hard.

It seems like the Person saga is a side deal that came out of this broader sting operation. I think the shoe company execs might be the real targets.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 12:57 pm
Posted by samson73103
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:58 pm to
TL,DR
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

I think the shoe company execs might be the real targets.


If this is true, everyone will get hammered that was involved, even remotely.

Trump DOJ recently doubled the frick down on the Yates Memo.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:17 pm to
RIP THE RIFLEMAN
Posted by UAtide11
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

Person is looking at 20 federal.


...come on man, 20 years? I'd be pretty surprised if it was more than 18 months.

Ultimately, it was <$100,000. It didn't involve stealing said money from any unwilling participants. I highly doubt they are going to hit all these guys with RICO charges
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 1:31 pm to
Yea it won't even be close to 20 years. Still will get hammered though.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

There is no real innocent party here that was defrauded out of money, so I doubt guys without any criminal history get hammered that hard.

It seems like the Person saga is a side deal that came out of this broader sting operation. I think the shoe company execs might be the real targets.


The Feds have a sentencing formula. After conviction, they take the sentencing range, add in any aggravating factors, subtract out any mitigating factors, and come up with a recommended range for the judge to consider. Judges can depart from it, but when they do they go over them way more than they go under them.

Wiki Link

I agree that with no priors, he won't get 20 but if he's convicted on all counts and the guidelines recommend 20 it is a virtual guarantee that he'll do a lot more than 2.

For reference, look at Don Siegleman. Former Governer of Alabama, non-violent offense, no history and he did 7 years.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

No. The feds hammer white collar.

Person is looking at 20 federal.


Lol, you could murder someone and be out in under 20. Dude didn't even steal any money, the only thing he did the Feds give a rip about is pay players while they were working with Grant money.

If not for NCAA and amateur athletes being involved, the feds wouldn't even care about this.
Posted by Bham4Tide
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:10 pm to
Has Pearl released a statement saying . . .

Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 2:11 pm to
You might want to look at the real world example I gave. I can give you dozens more if you wish.

In Alabama, if you're convicted of a white collar crime in state court you might get away with little to no actual time but the feds lock your arse up.

Edited to add: If they really have it all on audio/video, Person's going to take the first plea deal that comes his way.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 2:13 pm
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