re: Chubb or Fournette? Put your objective lenses on.

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When I say deserve, I mean based off talent and career expectations. You're arguing with me about something that I, as a whole, agree with you on. It would not surprise me one bit that either of these rb's go top 10, or one go top 5. That speaks to the volume of talent and value, in my opinion.

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I would be extremely surprised if either are the top 5 and mildly surprised if they went top 10. I agree w/Tela that you really must not remember how good AP was in college and he was only drafted at 7. RBs just aren't taken high bc NFL teams do not project them to last very long based on years of data that shows they wash out faster than most other positions.

Ah, I can't hate you. You're still my e-friend.

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Only difference is that it took him an extra 15 carries to get those 12 yards.

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Actually, those extra 15 carries hurt his average because MSU was onto us. Our coaches refused to open up the offense, but instead continued to run Fournette up the middle against 10 man fronts. This strategy almost cost us the game.

My suspicion is that you didn't watch LSU play last night.

I didn't even see the game last night. I'm just fricking around. This is going to be a weird season.

Both are great.

I guess I would pick Chubb, but I live in Georgia and he looked at AU so I'm biased.

Fournette is legit. So is Henry.

I really liked the RBs from KY last night as well.

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I mean, he was good, but his next two seasons were average.

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1) Peterson's incredible freshman season was aided by the Sooner's high powered passing attack led by Jason White (Remember him? He won the Heisman once because he put up gaudy TD numbers). Peterson never ran into 9-10 man fronts like Fournette has done every game in his LSU career.

2) Peterson did get injured his sophomore year. I believe that slowed down his overall productivity not only that year, but also the next (his final year in college).

I don't get how throwing up zero on a cupcake makes a difference. Points against, the defenses are only separated by 6 spots.

SEC D>>> BIG ten D. Hell, LSU threw up 28 on them. Not exactly intimidating

Besides, Wisconsin doesn't have a front line as dominant as Miss. St.'s (see Chris Jones). Plus Bama had the benefit of an offense that was multi-dimensional. Miss St knew LF was running up the gut over half of his attempts and still rushed more than Henry. Plus, he's faster and stronger than Henry. Your conformational bias is blinding you from the eye test

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3 questions for the board.

Who do you think has a better shot to win the heisman?

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Fournette

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Who do you think will have a better NFL career?

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Chubb, because I think Fournette might get used up in college

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Who do you think is the better back?

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Fournette

Leonard Fournette is a Herschel Walker/Earl Campbell type of guy, and there's a definite danger that his body will wear down by the end of his career. I think he does end up leading LSU to a title game appearance before his college career is over, but in doing so, he might lose 3-4 years off the back end of his pro career due to heavy touches.

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RC, I agree with you about the NFL drafting rb's but you keep stating it like I'm arguing that. What I'm speaking to is the talent and value that LF and Chubb, in particular, have.

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I've said nothing against their value or talent. You're the one that keeps ignoring that their value and talent means diddly when it comes to NFL drafting practices.

Again, it would be stunning if either was drafted top 5 and surprising if either goes top 10. It just isn't very likely at all and it matters not how good they are.

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LF was actually RB A. He has 12 more yards than Henry playing similar competition. Only difference is that it took him an extra 15 carries to get those 12 yards.

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So I guess the real question is if LF was on Bama's team who would be starting and vise versa.