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Posted on 7/25/13 at 10:54 pm to AMM AU9893
Posted on 7/25/13 at 10:54 pm to AMM AU9893
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The fact of the matter is both Auburn and A&M played in the SEC (which was tougher the year Auburn's season was played), and one team went undefeated and won the BCSNC, while the other was in 3rd place and won the Cotton Bowl
We're comparing Manziel and Cam here. Let me lay it out like this:
In 2010, Auburn's Wes Bynum connected on 72 of 73 XPs and 17 of 21 FGs (77%). He was perfect from under 40. In 2010, A&M's Taylor Bertolet made 67 of 74 XPs and 13 of 22 FGs (59%). He missed six FGs under 40 yards.
Had A&M's kicker made every FG under 40 yards and only missed 1 XP all year, we would have been 12-0 and playing in the SECCG game. Manziel would have had better stats across the board, and any rational person would be calling him better right now.
Essentially, your argument about who the better QB is is based on nothing more than the merits of two kickers. See how this game of yours works? It's a useless exercise in stat extrapolation, and frankly I'm better at it than you.
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Posted on 7/25/13 at 10:54 pm to FourThreeForty
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- a fricking mastodon that can run almost a flat 4.4 - first round draft pick that had, FWIW, a damn incredible rookie season with a lot of rushing yards and I think 4000 passing yards - Heisman winner that also had one of the best college seasons ever. - led a shitty Auburn team to an undefeated record and brought back a 24-0 blowout into a 28-27 WIN. Against one of the most talented Bama teams in the history of football.
You're just jealous....
Posted on 7/25/13 at 10:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
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We're comparing Manziel and Cam here.
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Let me lay it out like this:
Cam would fricking crush JM
Posted on 7/25/13 at 10:56 pm to RBWilliams8
Because I stood up for Alabama's biggest rival of whom we've outscored 91-14 with no offensive TDs all in the past two years 
Posted on 7/25/13 at 10:57 pm to FourThreeForty
He was joking.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 10:58 pm to bawbarn
I figured 
I saw a post about jealousy earlier in the thread but I didn't know how I should've responded
I saw a post about jealousy earlier in the thread but I didn't know how I should've responded
Posted on 7/25/13 at 10:59 pm to HuggieBear
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Man, you act as if TAMU and JFF are the best thing this conference has ever seen. Players I have watched live from the SEC that were better than JFF is at this point regardless of the Heisman or not...Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson, Tres Mannings (Archie, Peyton, Eli), Mark Ingram, Honey Badger, and the list goes on and on.
Which of those players was better as a freshman? Walker or Jackson you might say? Wrong, as neither of their freshmen season's accounted for a conference record (or even a freshman record) in any statistical category.
Manziel set SEC offensive records as a freshman. You are judging a freshman against the careers of legends and your argument is that he is inferior to them thus far?
Well no shite.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:00 pm to RBWilliams8
I wouldn't expect an LSU fan to understand comprehensive reasoning and extrapolation. That's probably a graduate level course. 
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:01 pm to RBWilliams8
Pick between the two and put them on your respected teams this year. Who do you want? Who gives you the best chance to win?
There is your answer. Cam everyday, all fricking day.!
There is your answer. Cam everyday, all fricking day.!
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
That's nothing like my view. Jff and cam could both outrun others. They can both pass. Main difference is in a situation where Johnny gets tackled, Cam trucks that arse like a fullback!
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
I stand by the fact cam is better just because of the talent differential between the 2 teams
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:03 pm to FourThreeForty
That too. Without Cam that team is fighting for bowl eligibility.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:04 pm to FourThreeForty
But all we've been told is that A&M will fold after Manziel leaves, many say even this year now that some defensive starters graduated. So apparently we really aren't all that talented, since even with Manziel people are predicting a 3-5 loss season.
You can't have it both ways.
You can't have it both ways.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:06 pm to Warden
What this guy said on page 1. They were too stubborn too lose.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:06 pm to Warden
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I'll go with AU. That team wouldn't lose for shite.
This. Anybody who remembers that seasons knows they could not lose.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:07 pm to Roger Klarvin
I never said any of that
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:07 pm to PortCityTiger82
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That too. Without Cam that team is fighting for bowl eligibility.
Ah, but we've been told for months that without Manziel A&M is 7-5/6-6 and Sumlin isn't anything.
Again, you cant have it both ways. Was this year's A&M team more talented overall than 2010 Auburn? Maybe, but you don't get to argue both points.
Either Cam led a team that was woefully inferior to an A&M team that will compete for an SEC title this year, or A&M really isn't that good and Manziel is in the discussion with Cam for what he did last year.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
This years a&m was far away more talented than that auburn team. I don't like either one of them so I have no reason to pick one over the other. I just know what I witnessed in that season. Especially in our game.
This post was edited on 7/25/13 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:16 pm to WDE1980
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So what? Cam was better, experienced or not. DWI.
No - the point is that If JFF has any experience A&M wins MNC last year. Florida was his first game ever. A BCS bowl team for your first start? You can't see that point.
The question is Cam vs. JFF. The Natty seems to be the big difference. JFF would have manhandled Fla at the end of the year.
I think A&M was the best team in the country last year at the end. If they played Bama again I bet line would have been Bama -2 which is basically pick it.
Point is the experience Cam had with a year in JUCO helped him greatly. But by the end of year JFF would have taken him.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:17 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I wouldn't expect an LSU fan to understand comprehensive reasoning and extrapolation. That's probably a graduate level course.
LSU is the last one you should try to convince. Being that one was running all over us and the other was getting tea bagged and thrown around like a rag doll... Easy choice here.
You simply couldn't game plan for cam. There was nothing you could do to stop him. Patrick Peterson is one of the greatest CBs the game has seen. Cam drug him 5 yards in for a TD.
JM had a good year, but lets not pretend the defenses were the same caliber those 2 years. Cam faced better defenses all around.
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