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Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:01 pm to FourThreeForty
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:01 pm to FourThreeForty
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Halftime adjustments killed Manziel somewhat this year.
Only against LSU and Florida. Much of the time Manziel spent at least 1/3rd of the second half on the bench in blowout wins.
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Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:02 pm to FourThreeForty
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Halftime adjustments killed Manziel somewhat this year. If the same thing happens in that game, auburn wins by A LOT
The Auburn defense in 2010 were the KINGS of halftime adjustments.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:07 pm to beatbammer
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The Auburn defense in 2010 were the KINGS of halftime adjustments.
Not really. You gave up 13.02 points in the first half on average and 11.05 in the second.
Seems like a lost of revisionist history on here about that team's greatness. It was Cam Newton, Nick Fairley and friends (with special guest appearences by Michael Dyer and Onterio Mccalebb).
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:08 pm to AMM AU9893
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It doesn't matter though. Our season got us a national championship. A&M's got a cotton bowl win
this is the only thing that matters
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:11 pm to lsutigers504
Can newton can throw a ball farther than a damn soccer field and hit a nail right on the head
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:12 pm to Rebel Land Shark
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Yes as a matter of fact I watched them both live and in person and personally I believe Johnny Football is a better player
Here's the thing: It doesn't matter. Nothing Manziel has done or ever could do would make most here pick him over Cam.
Even if he goes 14-0 next year, wins the MNC and has better stats than Newton, Newton will always be better in the eyes of many because he did it first. Psychology shows that revisionist history causes people to always remember the "original" of anything as better, regardless of merit. Cam was the first QB like that to literally carry a team all by himself in the SEC. Tebow was a running spread QB as well, but he was on some of the most talented teams in the last 15-20 years.
Newton's legend has made him an untouchable figure that cannot be surpassed in the minds of many.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Does that take into account garbage time points scored in the second half? Anyone that watched Auburn that season knows the second half defense was infinitely better than the first half.
Not really. You gave up 13.02 points in the first half on average and 11.05 in the second.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
You're reading too much into the secr
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:14 pm to WhiskeyBent
quote:Ask them about that 2010 Alabama team and they'll tell you it was likely one of the most talented teams they've ever had. They just got cocky from the 2009 national championship game, and had a relatively young team.
Bama fans - could your team this year have beaten Cam's team?
quote:LOL, no, they barely beat the 3-9 Auburn team.
LSU fans - could your team this year have beaten Cams team?
quote:No.
Georgia fans could your team this year have beaten Cams team?
How retarded are you, dude?
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:16 pm to Roger Klarvin
What puts Newton over the top, especially over someone like Manziel is his physical dominance. At 6'6 250 with a rocket arm and accuracy, there was just no way to stop him as he was just physically and athletically superior to everybody. Also he's the #1 pick.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:17 pm to AMM AU9893
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Does that take into account garbage time points scored in the second half?
Auburn didn't experience much garbage time in 2010 given that 9 of their 14 games were within a single score at some point under ten minutes to go in the 4th.
This post was edited on 7/25/13 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
I guess we should've punched that last one in from the 3 against LSU to help the stats.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:20 pm to Rebel Land Shark
They would put cam on defense for one series and take JM out of the game...
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:21 pm to AMM AU9893
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What puts Newton over the top, especially over someone like Manziel is his physical dominance. At 6'6 250 with a rocket arm and accuracy, there was just no way to stop him as he was just physically and athletically superior to everybody. Also he's the #1 pick.
Manziel is a faster/shiftier open field runner and, statistically, a more accurate passer. He also played in a much more sophisticated passing offense that required more reads and more diverse routes. Cam Newton's passing was centered almost entirely around playaction go, post and corner routes. It worked because of Auburn's geat running game, but few players have ever had the luxury of throwing to wide open receivers that often.
Both player's have their merits. No doubt Cam is a more physically imposing player with gifts Manziel doesn't have, but Manziel does things he cant do as well.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:21 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:I'd say 5 games is a good amount. Arkansas State, Louisiana Monroe, Ole Miss, Chattanooga, and South Carolina all faced 2nd and 3rd team defenses/offenses a good bit.
Auburn didn't experience much garbage time
14-0 > 11-2
End of argument. Auburn would win.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:24 pm to TTsTowel
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14-0 > 11-2
End of argument. Auburn would win.
Just intellectually lazy.
I'm not denying Auburn would likely win a close, game, but this silliness can have some major holes poked through it pretty quickly. For instance, would 2002 Ohio State beat 2010 Alabama? Unlikely.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:26 pm to TTsTowel
Alabama 13-1
A&M 11-2
Who wins?
And this proves you can't judge a game based off record
A&M 11-2
Who wins?
And this proves you can't judge a game based off record
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Two different time periods and two different leagues. The fact of the matter is both Auburn and A&M played in the SEC (which was tougher the year Auburn's season was played), and one team went undefeated and won the BCSNC, while the other was in 3rd place and won the Cotton Bowl
For instance, would 2002 Ohio State beat 2010 Alabama? Unlikely.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:29 pm to Rebel Land Shark
I think cam is a huge flamer but would take him all day over JFF
Posted on 7/25/13 at 7:30 pm to AMM AU9893
quote:Doesn't matter, no logic allowed.
Two different time periods and two different leagues. The fact of the matter is both Auburn and A&M played in the SEC (which was tougher the year Auburn's season was played), and one team went undefeated and won the BCSNC, while the other was in 3rd place and won the Cotton Bowl
Anybody who argues against Auburn either has an agenda against them or is trying to troll.
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