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re: Box Score The Last Time LSU and A&M Played in Texas
Posted on 10/18/12 at 9:46 am to Hugo Stiglitz
Posted on 10/18/12 at 9:46 am to Hugo Stiglitz
Spencer Ware and TM7's coming out party 
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Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:04 am to TheDoc
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What does 17 years ago have to do with anything?
January 2011 would be a better comparison as a lot of those players still play for each team.
Yes because the 2012 Aggies are oh so similar to the 2010 Aggies ...
Let me break this down for you ... Our QB is different (obviously)
Our leading rusher (Cyrus Gray) is no longer here (CMike didn't play that game cause of injury, Malena didn't play either)
Our leading receiver by a large margin in that game (Jeff Fuller) is no longer here.
Our OL returns 3 or the 5 starters but 2 of those were Fish in that game (Jockel and Matthews) the other a Sophomore.
And our defensive personnel is completely different with a total of 7 players on Defense returning from that game only 2 of them starters and they combined for a total of 7 solo tackles and 1 TFL.
Our best defenders on that team were Von Miller, Garrick Williams, Michael Hodges, and Coryell Judie, none of whom are here but all of which (with the exception on Miller) have been upgraded over.
Sean Porter played but current Porter is much better than 2010 porter, Johnathan Stewart was a backup but is much better now than Hodges was. Damontre Moore isn't Von Miller but he does a pretty good impersonation. Coryell Judie was a good CB but our current guys are at least as good as him and we have multiples instead of just 1.
So yes ... please tell me how a team that started 2 current players on defense and 3 current players on offense is similar to the current team. And explain to me how even if we returned all 22 starters from that game it would even matter since we have a completely new system on both sides of the ball.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:05 am to aggressor
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It was actually 2 seasons ago and both teams are dramatically different since then (esp A&M). The real turning point in that game was Hodges going down. He was our key run stopper and called the plays for the defense, after that the D looked confused out there and deflated. A&M looked really solid to start that game. Still, LSU probably wins that game regardless.
It's funny how everyone that followed the SEC tries to tell people not as familiar how depth is what sets the SEC apart. (the fact that LSU can even field a threatening team with four new players on the o-line is just the latest example).
For a long time, many other fans would come on this board and tell us how that is bull shite. Then Hodges gets hurt, or James and Barner, or any number of other players over the years and the route is on.
Several A&M fans came on here when the team joined the SEC and talked about how SEC advantages in personnel were bunk. Now I see this excuse. When you are one deep, you are going to struggle. These men hurt each other a lot.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:07 am to BigAggie06
Damn, you really mad.
I think the point is that players from both teams will still be playing in the game, and we physically abused A&M the last time around with superior depth and talent. You should expect more of the same in roughly 49 hours
I think the point is that players from both teams will still be playing in the game, and we physically abused A&M the last time around with superior depth and talent. You should expect more of the same in roughly 49 hours
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:09 am to therick711
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It's funny how everyone that followed the SEC tries to tell people not as familiar how depth is what sets the SEC apart. (the fact that LSU can even field a threatening team with four new players on the o-line is just the latest example).
For a long time, many other fans would come on this board and tell us how that is bull shite. Then Hodges gets hurt, or James and Barner, or any number of other players over the years and the route is on.
Several A&M fans came on here when the team joined the SEC and talked about how SEC advantages in personnel were bunk. Now I see this excuse. When you are one deep, you are going to struggle. These men hurt each other a lot.
Many fans are stupid. How anyone could think depth is an unfair advantage, or better yet, not an advantage is flat out an idiot.
We're one deep right now, and fortunately haven't had a lot of injuries. It's so rare for a college program to make a real run through a season without suffering any major ones (OU 00) is one of the few I can think of off the top of my head. One of the reasons I expected a 5 win season was due to lack of depth, specifically at Dline and LBer. Now it's hitting us some in the secondary, but that's how football go. It's up to us to recruit better, build depth, and let that not be a reason for a loss, or multiple ones.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:21 am to NawlinsTigah270
My point is that your idea that the players the LSU team "abused" are not the same players. That you will see on Saturday.
Just look at Damontre Moore was 3rd string, barely played and had .5 tackles. We only had 2 guys on our current team that saw significant time on defense in that game.
On offense we had 2 tackles and 2-3 WRs still on the team that saw time. so in total you guys pushed around what ... 6 of our current players at most, and most of those were underclassmen at the time.
The basis of your argument is flawed. The team is entirely different than the team you saw 2 years ago.
Just look at Damontre Moore was 3rd string, barely played and had .5 tackles. We only had 2 guys on our current team that saw significant time on defense in that game.
On offense we had 2 tackles and 2-3 WRs still on the team that saw time. so in total you guys pushed around what ... 6 of our current players at most, and most of those were underclassmen at the time.
The basis of your argument is flawed. The team is entirely different than the team you saw 2 years ago.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:34 am to TheDoc
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JJ threw 4 TD's all year and then threw 3 TD's against A&M
I'm aware that we made him look like a 1st round pick, however a good QB would have thrown 8 TDs on us. Is my sarcasm broken?
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:36 am to Projectpat
I expect Mett to toss a few touchdowns on yet another atrocious A&M secondary on Saturday. Something he hasn't done since Towson
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:38 am to NawlinsTigah270
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I expect Mett to toss a few touchdowns on yet another atrocious A&M secondary on Saturday.
They announced JFF is starting at a corner as well on Saturday so we should be good there.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:38 am to NawlinsTigah270
Nah.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:43 am to therick711
I don't think you will get a lot of Aggies argue with you that depth is valuable nor will they argue that LSU has better depth than A&M. A&M is still at least a ways to go from being a solid 2/3 deep at every position with quality players. That said, depth isn't the whole story.
More importantly the '10 Tiger team and the '12 Tiger team are very different. While I agree LSU has a ton of talent I don't think you can just automatically assume that just because a player wears purple and gold and was highly recruited they will be as good as the guys before him. They may be but they may not as well. We've already discussed how different the A&M squad was in that game.
In truth there were 3 factors that really made the difference in that game. First was Hodges' injury. Second was turnovers, A&M had 4 and LSU had 1. Finally you had Jefferson suddenly look like Peyton Manning and throwing 2 Long TD passes (3 overall) that no one would have predicted. That was a great LSU team that was about to go on an incredible run the following year. A&M actually did a decent job moving the ball against LSU in that game averaging over 5 yards per rush and RT threw the ball effectively. You just can't go -3 in TO ratio against a good team and expect to win.
The key is both teams are different that are playing on Saturday and the venue is also different. LSU still deserves to be the favorite but they better be ready because A&M is going to leave it all out there. The campus is already buzzing. We shall see.
More importantly the '10 Tiger team and the '12 Tiger team are very different. While I agree LSU has a ton of talent I don't think you can just automatically assume that just because a player wears purple and gold and was highly recruited they will be as good as the guys before him. They may be but they may not as well. We've already discussed how different the A&M squad was in that game.
In truth there were 3 factors that really made the difference in that game. First was Hodges' injury. Second was turnovers, A&M had 4 and LSU had 1. Finally you had Jefferson suddenly look like Peyton Manning and throwing 2 Long TD passes (3 overall) that no one would have predicted. That was a great LSU team that was about to go on an incredible run the following year. A&M actually did a decent job moving the ball against LSU in that game averaging over 5 yards per rush and RT threw the ball effectively. You just can't go -3 in TO ratio against a good team and expect to win.
The key is both teams are different that are playing on Saturday and the venue is also different. LSU still deserves to be the favorite but they better be ready because A&M is going to leave it all out there. The campus is already buzzing. We shall see.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:46 am to Hugo Stiglitz
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:51 am to jeff5891
That's a you problem...
What browser and OS are you using and are images unlocked in your profile.
What browser and OS are you using and are images unlocked in your profile.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:52 am to Projectpat
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They announced JFF is starting at a corner as well on Saturday so we should be good there.
Pretty sad when the QB could seriously fill in on that unit, or maybe really awesome he's that athletically gift
Posted on 10/18/12 at 10:53 am to Projectpat
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They announced JFF is starting at a corner as well on Saturday so we should be good there.
Wait wut?
This can't be for real.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:01 am to Projectpat
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I'm aware that we made him look like a 1st round pick, however a good QB would have thrown 8 TDs on us. Is my sarcasm broken?
That year Ryan mallet threw 2 td's and 1 int against the aggies. Landry jones threw 1 td and 1 int, and Brandon weeden threw 2 td's and 2 ints. Or maybe you're still being sarcastic.
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:04 am to TheDoc
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January 2011 would be a better comparison as a lot of those players still play for each team.
Actually, it wouldn't.
The following A&M starters were either redshirting or not even on campus the last time we played LSU:
QB - Johnny Manziel
WR - Mike Evans
WR - Thomas Johnson
OL - Jarvis Harrison
OL - Cedric Ogbuehi
DL - Julien Obioha
LB - Steven Jenkins
DB - De'Vante Harris
DB - Deshazor Everett
K - Taylor Bertolet
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:04 am to SECond2none™
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That year Ryan mallet threw 2 td's and 1 int against the aggies. Landry jones threw 1 td and 1 int, and Brandon weeden threw 2 td's and 2 ints
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:06 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Actually, it wouldn't.
Uh, in comparison to using the games in the 90's like some of you faggies like to do it is considerably better and more relevant
Posted on 10/18/12 at 11:08 am to SECond2none™
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That year Ryan mallet threw 2 td's and 1 int against the aggies. Landry jones threw 1 td and 1 int, and Brandon weeden threw 2 td's and 2 ints. Or maybe you're still being sarcastic.
Blaine Gabbert threw for 3 TDs
Ryan Mallett threw for 3 TDs and 1 INT
Taylor Potts and Steven Sheffield combined to throw 3 TDs and 1 INT
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