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Posted on 7/19/16 at 1:29 pm to DistrictDawg
Posted on 7/19/16 at 1:29 pm to DistrictDawg
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If football championships were changed to 1.5 points, the ranking would stay the same except Bama would jump Kentucky for the #3 spot by 0.5 points.
Add .5 for division titles too then. Like I said before, they are more valuable than tournament titles, at least.
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 1:38 pm to RB10
That's stupid. You're saying a division title in Football, is more important than a conference championship in Basketball or Baseball which gives you an automatic bid to the post season. You all are trying to make this a Power Rating of the Big 3 sports, weighted to how important you think the sport is. Winning a conference tourney has immediate implications, a bid to the post season. Winning the division in football is only an invitation to the conference championship game. If I gave 0.5 points to division champs in football, I would have to give 0.5 points to the runner up for the baseball and basketball tournaments.
Go make your own power rating!!
Go make your own power rating!!
Posted on 7/19/16 at 1:41 pm to DistrictDawg
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That's stupid. You're saying a division title in Football, is more important than a conference championship in Basketball or Baseball which gives you an automatic bid to the post season.
Whatever you have to do to keep MSU from the bottom third, I guess.
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Winning a conference tourney has immediate implications, a bid to the post season. Winning the division in football is only an invitation to the conference championship game.
Winning your division is basically a guaranteed bowl bid, so.....
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If I gave 0.5 points to division champs in football, I would have to give 0.5 points to the runner up for the baseball and basketball tournaments.
No, you wouldn't. Neither baseball nor basketball have a conference championship game that is decided by division winners.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 1:43 pm to DistrictDawg
Kudos for sticking to your guns.
Even though it's a larger sample size, South Carolina and Arkansas do have a disadvantage for this list in being in the conference for only 20 something years where as OP is for 40 years.
Other than that, well done.
Even though it's a larger sample size, South Carolina and Arkansas do have a disadvantage for this list in being in the conference for only 20 something years where as OP is for 40 years.
Other than that, well done.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 1:43 pm to RB10
Probably the best way to handle the football ratings would be to award 1 point to whoever had the best regular season record, half a point if multiple teams are tied. Then add another 0.5 points to the team that won the conference championship game. However, this would mean that a team from, for instance, the West, could go to the conference championship game with a 10-2 record and win it against a 11-1 team from the East and only recieve 0.5 points for the season while the 11-1 East team would still recieve 1 point for having the best regular season record.
There's no perfect way to do it.
There's no perfect way to do it.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 1:50 pm to DistrictDawg
You're saying the 2nd best football team in the conference doesn't deserve .5 points, but the 10th best, theoretically, does in basketball and baseball.
1 point for the title and .5 for each division winner is no different than .5 for the tourney winner in the other sports. It gives every champ an opportunity for 1.5 total points.
1 point for the title and .5 for each division winner is no different than .5 for the tourney winner in the other sports. It gives every champ an opportunity for 1.5 total points.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 1:55 pm to CNB
Good point. South Carolina and Arkansas both competed in the SEC for the first time in 1991, meaning that they were there for 26 of the 40 years sampled. (40/26) = 1.54
So giving Arkansas and USC both a 1.54X multiplier and counting football championships as 1.33 points, the rankings would be:
1. Florida (31.16)
2. LSU (27.83)
3. Bama (24.50)
4. Kentucky (24.00)
5. Auburn (12.00)
6. Georgia (11.50)
7. Tennessee (11.00)
8. MSU (10.50)
t9. South Carolina (6.16)
t9. Arkansas (6.16)
11. Vanderbilt (6.00)
12. Ole Miss (3.5)
So giving Arkansas and USC both a 1.54X multiplier and counting football championships as 1.33 points, the rankings would be:
1. Florida (31.16)
2. LSU (27.83)
3. Bama (24.50)
4. Kentucky (24.00)
5. Auburn (12.00)
6. Georgia (11.50)
7. Tennessee (11.00)
8. MSU (10.50)
t9. South Carolina (6.16)
t9. Arkansas (6.16)
11. Vanderbilt (6.00)
12. Ole Miss (3.5)
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 7/19/16 at 1:56 pm to DistrictDawg
Yeah didn't expect much change
Posted on 7/19/16 at 1:56 pm to RB10
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Should include division titles in football since the split too
no no no
but weighted is ok
Posted on 7/19/16 at 1:57 pm to DistrictDawg
Drop off from #4 to #5 is gigantic.
Kentucky probably the most 1 sport centric of the group there, as they have had very, very limited success in the other 2 on a championship level. Alabama obviously weighted towards football but with moderate success in baseball and basketball. LSU and Florida with very even success across the board.
Kentucky probably the most 1 sport centric of the group there, as they have had very, very limited success in the other 2 on a championship level. Alabama obviously weighted towards football but with moderate success in baseball and basketball. LSU and Florida with very even success across the board.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:00 pm to danfraz
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but weighted is ok
He doesn't want weighted, so it needs to be 1.5 outright for football championships or 1 and .5 for championships and division titles, respectively.
Having more points available for the two lesser sports makes very little sense.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:01 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Kentucky's football success over the past 40 years is about on par with Alabama's basketball success. Bowl games v Big Dance... probably close-ish. Maybe not quite as much. I have no idea what y'all have been like in baseball.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:03 pm to RB10
I see what you are saying, and that wouldn't be a bad formula.
However, if the 10th best team ("theoretically") wins a conference tourney in baseball or basketball than I think they would definitely deserve that 0.5 points. It's a tournament, against all the other SEC teams, the winner should definitely deserve 0.5 points considering this is a power rating based on SEC championships in the Big 3 sports.
In all seriousness, even though you have been a douche, awarding 0.5 points the division champ isn't a bad idea since there is no conference tournament in football. Then you give 1 point to the championship game winner, it could work, but you're still a douche. It wouldn't change the ranking order much. I do know that Mississippi State would get to add 0.5 points to our total, and Ole Miss would get to add a whole zero points to their last place total.
The idea behind adding 0.5 points to tourney champs is supported by the fact that to win it you would have to beat several top SEC teams in a row. Once again, a good gauge of a teams performance against other SEC teams.
However, if the 10th best team ("theoretically") wins a conference tourney in baseball or basketball than I think they would definitely deserve that 0.5 points. It's a tournament, against all the other SEC teams, the winner should definitely deserve 0.5 points considering this is a power rating based on SEC championships in the Big 3 sports.
In all seriousness, even though you have been a douche, awarding 0.5 points the division champ isn't a bad idea since there is no conference tournament in football. Then you give 1 point to the championship game winner, it could work, but you're still a douche. It wouldn't change the ranking order much. I do know that Mississippi State would get to add 0.5 points to our total, and Ole Miss would get to add a whole zero points to their last place total.
The idea behind adding 0.5 points to tourney champs is supported by the fact that to win it you would have to beat several top SEC teams in a row. Once again, a good gauge of a teams performance against other SEC teams.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:03 pm to RB10
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He doesn't want weighted, so it needs to be 1.5 outright for football championships or 1 and .5 for championships and division titles, respectively.
he did the numbers @ 1.33 or whatever which is fine. No to division fricking titles, shite lets give everyone a trophy
it's his deal man, you wanna do your own knock yourself out. I appreciate the bullies fan hard work, geesh man some folk are a TRIP
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:05 pm to danfraz
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shite lets give everyone a trophy
Or
Two teams get awarded in football just like two teams can in baseball and basketball.......Crazy, I know.
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:06 pm to RB10
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it's his deal man, you wanna do your own knock yourself out.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:07 pm to DistrictDawg
What my scale would be:
A national title = 2 points
A SEC football championship = 1.5 points
An outright regular season conference championship 1.25
A shared regular season championship = 1 point
A divisional football championship = 1 point
A shared divisional football title = .75 point
A SEC tournament championship = 0.5 point
A shared divisional championship =.25 point
Add all together to get the big 3 sports power rating.
A national title = 2 points
A SEC football championship = 1.5 points
An outright regular season conference championship 1.25
A shared regular season championship = 1 point
A divisional football championship = 1 point
A shared divisional football title = .75 point
A SEC tournament championship = 0.5 point
A shared divisional championship =.25 point
Add all together to get the big 3 sports power rating.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:07 pm to UKWildcats
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Kentucky's football success over the past 40 years is about on par with Alabama's basketball success.
Kentucky Football since 1975
1 SEC Title
195-274-5 (41.4%)
Alabama Basketball since 1975
4 SEC Regular Season Titles
5 SEC Tournament Titles
856-483 (63.9%)
Not even close
And in baseball Alabama has
- 3 regular season titles
- 7 conference tournament titles
- 4 College World Series
- 2 National Runners Up
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I said compare bowls to big dance. I am well aware of what Alabama's basketball history is.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:08 pm to jimmy the leg
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Add all together to get the big 3 sports power rating.
yeah go do that then with that mess of a system you've devised, again some folks are a TRIP
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