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re: Big 14 rankings - THE END ALL BE ALL, THE ALMIGHTY SEC RANKINGS

Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:18 pm to
Posted by LSUtiger89
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
3637 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:18 pm to
So LSU only has 2 national championships and 2003 isn't recognized. Yep I'm not listening to this at all!
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:18 pm to
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So LSU only has 2 national championships and 2003 isn't recognized. Yep I'm not listening to this at all!



You guys are pretty bad at reading.
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5171 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:24 pm to
You have to change it to AP only until BCS started (then playoffs although that is not currently relevant). No one (except USCw) recognizes anyone but LSU as 2003 champs.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:24 pm to
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Cfbdatawarehouse already does this, and their points system isn't nearly as gay. Plus you can search by decade, quarter century, etc. much better source of info.



Meh. They put too much weight in Sugar Bowls that LSU went to when they were shitty and undeserving.
Posted by Mizzoufan26
Vacaville CA
Member since Sep 2012
17218 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:27 pm to
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...what an incredibly tier 4 thing to say
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:37 pm to
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You have to change it to AP only until BCS started (then playoffs although that is not currently relevant). No one (except USCw) recognizes anyone but LSU as 2003 champs.


I've said roughly 100 times that you can go ahead and add 10 pts to LSU if you want for 2003. Still in basically the same place.
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:47 pm to
This system massively overweights Arkansas-- look at the conference titles.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 3:49 pm to
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This system massively overweights Arkansas-- look at the conference titles.


As mentioned earlier, if you can come up with a better way to measure the A&M and Arkansas years in the SWC be my guest.
Posted by GameCocky88
Mount Pleasant, SC
Member since Dec 2015
4837 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:00 pm to
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...what an incredibly tier 4 thing to say


Not gonna lie, Laughed my arse off at that.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 4:01 pm
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:14 pm to
Why would you omit the UPI and, later, the Coaches polls? And 10 win seasons are starting to matter a lot less now than they used to. Back when Vandy was the preeminent program in the precursor to the SEC, programs only played 1 or 2 games a season. The 10 win bit is arbitrary. Lower it to 1 win seasons to give us our due credit.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:17 pm to
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Why would you omit the UPI and, later, the Coaches polls?


Honestly, it was the easiest way without using school reported titles. It is the most streamline way to do it.

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And 10 win seasons are starting to matter a lot less now than they used to.


I agree, but that change didn't happen until the advent of the 12th game which was in the mid to late 2000s. That's only 10% of the time period covered, really.

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Back when Vandy was the preeminent program in the precursor to the SEC, programs only played 1 or 2 games a season. The 10 win bit is arbitrary. Lower it to 1 win seasons to give us our due credit.


Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:26 pm to
What would actually be perhaps the most representational would be breaking down wins as a percentage of total games played. But that would require lots and lots of data entry work, so it's fair enough to just go with a solid number. And, obviously, it still doesn't account for the strength of schedule.

Really feels like it's been longer since the number of games expanded. Guess we're all completely acclimated now.
Posted by VFL1800FPD
Nashville, TN
Member since Aug 2012
9056 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:38 pm to
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For what time frame are you looking at? And I had zero idea what it had LSU ranked. I haven't looked at it in a while, and not at the rankings when I did. For some reason on my phone it is loading and freezing halfway....just before it puts up the teams. Not sure if it is reception or due to something else such as what was said earlier with it being malware....which is exactly why I haven't copied and pasted as I said I would. But go figure you would like it except for the fact that it doesn't have TN


I think all-time has LSU at #2, really could care less though, I was just being petty
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:42 pm to
Tell your buddy Nick his NC at LSU doesn't count.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:46 pm to
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Tell your buddy Nick his NC at LSU doesn't count.


Yeah, right. You know how your grandma always quoted that old-timey Southern saying, "Never get in a crotch-punchin' fight with a midget?" Wise words indeed in situations like this.


All of y'all's grandmas did say that, right? It wasn't just mine, I hope.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:48 pm to
Seriously cant win. Use all titles? Bammer bias. Only use AP? Anti LSU
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15590 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:54 pm to
This pretty much mirrors total NCAA victories, except Auburn would be a lot higher.

Alabama #3 or #4 All-Time nationally I believe
Tennessee Around #8 All-Time
Georgia #11
LSU (gaining on the Puppies) #12 (And #8 in Bowls)
Auburn #15
Posted by Hawgeye
tFlagship Brothel
Member since Jun 2009
30974 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 4:55 pm to
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This system massively overweights Arkansas-- look at the conference titles


Why is that?

Arkansas and aTm always played a full conference slate every season in the SWC.

For you new SEC fans, prior to the mid 1980's, SEC teams would only play a 5-6 game conference slate.

To say Arkansas or aTm should be discredited, or that conference titles shouldn't matter, I'd urge you to learn the history of your own league. At least when Arkansas won a conference title, it was done with a true/full conference schedule.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39994 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 5:16 pm to
Not bad but I would have given more weight to the big time bowls instead of having the Sugar Bowl the same weight as the Tax Slayer Bowl.
Posted by Hawgeye
tFlagship Brothel
Member since Jun 2009
30974 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 5:20 pm to
Would actually agree with you

Rose, Sugar, Orange, and Cotton were the premier bowls prior to 1992. Definitely not on the same level as the Independence, etc.
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