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re: Better basketball job Mizzou or Tennessee?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:27 pm to the808bass
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:27 pm to the808bass
Yea. $3mil is high for any non tenured coach not named Bill Self, Calipari, Williams, or Ksjdhesuski....
$2m is a good point and only 3 coaches make more than 2 mil in our league
$2m is a good point and only 3 coaches make more than 2 mil in our league
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:27 pm to the808bass
I'm still wondering why UT AD Dave Hart spent the day at the Knoxville Zoo. We're not using a firm so it's Dave Hart's show and he's at the Zoo. Pretty day but wtf?! 
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:31 pm to the808bass
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$2M is the floor for a "quality" hire.
Says you.
Suppose when Pitino was no longer at UK, what stopped Arkansas from offering him 3 million to come to Arkansas? What stopped Missouri from going after Thad Matta with a similar 3 million offer. Both those schools have reaped the rewards by spending that "extra" that you seem to see as the floor for a quality hire.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:35 pm to Cheese Grits
For basketball, Arkansas has never spent "extra" money on a coach. Why do you think Nolan was all pissed? Because he saw a mediocre white football coach get raises, while he made next to nothing.
Anderson is our first "big" spending hire.
Anderson is our first "big" spending hire.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:40 pm to Hawgeye
1. Kentucky
2. Florida (For now, if they miss on whoever replaces Billy they could be in trouble)
3. Arkansas
4. Tennessee
5. Mizzou
6. Bama/LSU
2. Florida (For now, if they miss on whoever replaces Billy they could be in trouble)
3. Arkansas
4. Tennessee
5. Mizzou
6. Bama/LSU
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:57 pm to RTR America
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3. Arkansas
Hogs really need to pick it up and soon. If they want to get back to their ways they need to pony up and hire a winner.
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4. Tennessee
5. Mizzou
6. Bama/LSU
SEC really needs to go back in time and get another round of "colorful" coaches. Just look at football with Spurrier and Miles. Folks tune in just do watch what they do next.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:58 pm to Cheese Grits
You're an idiot.
Pitino was hired at Louisville for ~$1M.
Donovan was hired at UF at a very young age. In 2006, he was making $1.7Mish.
Cal had two Final Fours when he went to Kentucky for less than $3M per.
Pitino was hired at Louisville for ~$1M.
Donovan was hired at UF at a very young age. In 2006, he was making $1.7Mish.
Cal had two Final Fours when he went to Kentucky for less than $3M per.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:03 pm to Cheese Grits
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Hogs really need to pick it up and soon. If they want to get back to their ways they need to pony up and hire a winner.
Look....I know people like to take shots at Arkansas for the hell of it....
But there isn't a program in this league that wouldn't hire this resume:
1 Elite Eight
2 Sweet Sixteens
6 NCAA Tourneys
8 seasons of 22 wins or more
259 wins in 12 seasons
And I also know Missouri fans put on a front of hating on Mike, but what he did at UAB and the. What he did to clean up Snyders mess at Mizzou and get them to 30 wins and the. Have them set up to win 30 games again, shows he is a winner and knows how to build a program.
Most people outside of Arkansas don't quite grasp what John Pelphrey did to the Arkansas program.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:04 pm to Hawgeye
I agree. Kentucky or Florida might not now. Everyone else hires that resume in a heart beat.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:08 pm to the808bass
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You're an idiot.
You are the idiot for not understanding that there is a difference in time. 1 million salary then would be in the 3 million range now. 1.7 in 1996 would be well above the 2 million floor you suggest in 2014. Can you not see the time difference or are you just trying to troll because it is me posting this?
2000 was when Pitino started discussion with Louisville, it is now 2014
1996 was when Donovan started discussions with Florida, it is now 2014
Your 2 million "floor" is about what they paid Donovan almost 20 years ago. Again, pay real money and act like a basketball school or keep haggling in the 1.8 - 2.2 range and continue to enjoy not making Final Fours.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:09 pm to the808bass
There is no need to go over the 2.0-2.2 mil mark right when hiring a basketball coach. There are only 17 coaches nationwide who make 2.2 mil or more right now, and none are in their first season.
Missouri can make a very solid hire in the $1.8mil range. This lets the new coach know, that if he is successful his next contract will put him in the 2.2-2.5 mil range.
Missouri can make a very solid hire in the $1.8mil range. This lets the new coach know, that if he is successful his next contract will put him in the 2.2-2.5 mil range.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:11 pm to Hawgeye
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Look....I know people like to take shots at Arkansas for the hell of it....
Not the case
Mine is more a desire to see the Hogs back in their former winning ways. Open the checkbook and hire like a school wanting to be known for basketball.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:11 pm to Hawgeye
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2 Sweet Sixteens
Wait a minute, we've been to more Sweet Sixteens? Wow. The way everyone claims y'all are better than us, I'm surprised.
Interesting (and no I'm not trolling I honestly believed the hype).
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:12 pm to Cheese Grits
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Hogs really need to pick it up and soon. If they want to get back to their ways they need to pony up and hire a winner.
Anderson is just fine. We will most likely be pre season third in the SEC next season. Many people on this board seem to forget the dumpster fire that he inherited from Pelphrey and couldn't get rid of any player because of the horrible APR.
All we were missing last year was solid guard play and we will have it this coming season with his style of guards he has coming in.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:12 pm to Hawgeye
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There is no need to go over the 2.0-2.2 mil mark right when hiring a basketball coach.
Penny wise and pound foolish
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:14 pm to Hawgeye
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There is no need to go over the 2.0-2.2 mil mark right when hiring a basketball coach. There are only 17 coaches nationwide who make 2.2 mil or more right now, and none are in their first season.
I've got a feeling the money's going to begin flowing in college basketball.
I have no reason to think that's the case other than the additional athletics revenue coming in and the fact that universities are pseudo-governmental beings that need to spend every dollar they get plus some.
We got that new SEC money, let the cheddar flow.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:15 pm to Cheese Grits
7 coaches make more than $3mil in college basketball.
Thad Mata
Billy Donovan
Tom Izzo
Bill Self
Rick Pitino
John Calapari
Mike Krzyzewski
All of those coaches have been at their school at least 4-5 years.
There is no precedent to hiring a new coach and paying him $3million.
What there is though, are coaches being paid 1.8-2.2 million with a chance for a large bump once they've established themselves
Thad Mata
Billy Donovan
Tom Izzo
Bill Self
Rick Pitino
John Calapari
Mike Krzyzewski
All of those coaches have been at their school at least 4-5 years.
There is no precedent to hiring a new coach and paying him $3million.
What there is though, are coaches being paid 1.8-2.2 million with a chance for a large bump once they've established themselves
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:16 pm to Cheese Grits
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Your 2 million "floor" is about what they paid Donovan almost 20 years ago.
You don't even read good.
Donovan was making $1.7M in 2006. Not 1996. Not 23 BC.
ETA: I'm not sure you understand the word "floor."
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:17 pm to Prof
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Wait a minute, we've been to more Sweet Sixteens? Wow. The way everyone claims y'all are better than us, I'm surprised. Interesting (and no I'm not trolling I honestly believed the hype).
Wtf are you talking about?
Arkansas has more Final fours than your Sweet Sixteens
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:17 pm to Gcockboi
As far as history goes:
NCAA Tournaments:
Mizzou--26
Tennessee--20
Sweet 16's:
Mizzou--7
Tennessee--7
Elite Eights:
Mizzou--5
Tennessee--1
Conference Titles:
Mizzou--15
Tennessee--9
Conference Tournament Championships:
Mizzou--8
Tennessee--4
As far as success of programs, I'd give the edge to Mizzou as more successful. Quality of facilities is probably a push. Fan support I'll give to Tennessee.
NCAA Tournaments:
Mizzou--26
Tennessee--20
Sweet 16's:
Mizzou--7
Tennessee--7
Elite Eights:
Mizzou--5
Tennessee--1
Conference Titles:
Mizzou--15
Tennessee--9
Conference Tournament Championships:
Mizzou--8
Tennessee--4
As far as success of programs, I'd give the edge to Mizzou as more successful. Quality of facilities is probably a push. Fan support I'll give to Tennessee.
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