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re: Best head coach from Saban coaching tree

Posted on 8/28/16 at 3:25 pm to
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 8/28/16 at 3:25 pm to
Jim McElwain, of course. Isn't that what you want to hear?
Posted by MagillaGuerilla
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Posted on 8/28/16 at 3:26 pm to
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The most common way to make the distinction is if a coach worked as an assistant on a particular head coach's staff for at least a season then that coach can be counted as being a branch on the head coach's coaching tree.Coaching trees can also show philosophical influence from one head coach to an assistant.


And Dantonio credits Saban with a lot. He's known Saban since Nick recruited him out of high school for Kent State.

Like how Saban credits Belicheck, despite having his first coordinator job with George Perles.
This post was edited on 8/28/16 at 3:28 pm
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 8/28/16 at 3:26 pm to
Since the standard is "has to have coached with Saban at some time regardless of tenure, position, or any other lineage as a coach," I guess it is Dan Quinn.
This post was edited on 8/28/16 at 3:34 pm
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 8/28/16 at 3:28 pm to
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And Dantonio credits Saban with a lot. He's known Saban since Nick recruited him out of high school for Kent State.

Like how Saban credits Belicheck, despite having his first coordinator job with George Perles.


That's like saying someone was like a father to you. It doesn't actually make them your father, though.
Posted by Terry the Tiger
Cypress, Texas
Member since Jul 2009
3494 posts
Posted on 8/28/16 at 3:28 pm to
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quote:
Can he really be considered a part of his tree?


Give me your criteria for being considered on ones coaching tree?


So any coach that ever coached under Saban is part of his tree? I think that being part of a coaching tree means that it should go to the coach that discovered him or the coach that he was working for when he landed his head coaching job.

Dantonio was first hired by Jim Tressel and then was working for him again when he became a head coach at Cincinnati. Jim Tressel's coaching tree, not Saban's tree.

Jimbo Fisher was first hired by Terry Bowden and replaced Bobby Bowden as head coach. Part of the Bowden coaching tree, not Saban's tree.


Posted by MagillaGuerilla
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Posted on 8/28/16 at 3:32 pm to
Or they impacted and influenced how they coached and adapted their style going forward.

Sorry you don't agree with the definition

quote:

The most common way to make the distinction is if a coach worked as an assistant on a particular head coach's staff for at least a season then that coach can be counted as being a branch on the head coach's coaching tree.Coaching trees can also show philosophical influence from one head coach to an assistant.
Posted by therick711
South
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Posted on 8/28/16 at 3:33 pm to
You're sorry that people disagree with an unverified statement in a wikipedia article?

Posted by MagillaGuerilla
Nick Fairley Fan Club, Founder
Member since Nov 2009
35446 posts
Posted on 8/28/16 at 3:41 pm to
No, I'm sorry you think your definition should be held above the general stance on "coaching trees".

I'm also sorry you're stuck in 2010 still talking shite about the validity of everything sourced from a Wikipedia article.

Keep fighting the good fight though...
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25118 posts
Posted on 8/28/16 at 3:45 pm to
I'm happy to know that Jason Garrett and Dan Quinn are on the Saban coaching tree. Given they both have obtained jobs at the highest level, they are clearly the most successful coaches on his tree.

Would you say that Mike Zimmer or Hue Jackson is the greatest branch on the Bobby Petrino coaching tree?
This post was edited on 8/28/16 at 3:48 pm
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 8/28/16 at 5:36 pm to
Just like Saban is part of a number of HC's coaching trees. This isn't as hard as you are trying to make it out to be.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/28/16 at 5:47 pm to
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Terry the Tiger

quote:

therick


Don't understand how coaching trees work.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28286 posts
Posted on 8/28/16 at 5:47 pm to
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Not Jimbo?


Jimbo is more from the Terry Bowden. He coached for Terry longer than he coached for saban.
Posted by SpartyGator
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Member since Oct 2011
75446 posts
Posted on 8/28/16 at 5:53 pm to
Dantonio and Jimbo
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 8/28/16 at 5:54 pm to
Saban has been working solo. Pay attention.
Posted by dan765
Charleston
Member since Aug 2016
1170 posts
Posted on 8/28/16 at 6:33 pm to
I would say the only coaches that are for sure on the Saban coaching tree are Smart, Muschamp, and Dooley.
Posted by Snout Spout
Somewhere in the 17th century
Member since Jul 2015
957 posts
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:28 am to
Dantonio coached DBs at MSU for 5 years under Saban. For those that don't know, the secondary is Saban's specialty. It's where he played, position coached, and where he personally helps out in practice.

So Saban would have spent the most time with Dantonio over those 5 years than any of his other position coaches.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44859 posts
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:03 am to
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Dantonio is a very good coach. If he had the same recruiting base and resources as Saban he could probably win a couple of national titles.


FIFY
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30600 posts
Posted on 8/29/16 at 7:49 am to
It's not exactly a tree yet...more like a bush.
Posted by TigerBlood17
Member since Jan 2014
1459 posts
Posted on 8/29/16 at 8:10 am to
Jimbo Fisher
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10234 posts
Posted on 8/29/16 at 8:20 am to
How is Jimbo from the Saban tree? He didn't start his career with Sabear and was only with him at LSU for 4 seasons.
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