re: Berry Tramel: "Oklahoma fans are ready for the SEC"

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And it has to be unanimous.

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If that is true than Texas or OU in the SEC is a pipe dream.

It is beyond sad. Some LSU fans just cannot help being a whiny bitch to explain their perennial mid-pack finish in the SEC west. It doesn't matter that the subject is the arm-pit Okies, they have to express their grievances against the system that has prevented them from their rightful kingdom...at least in their pig-eyed view.

"Oh...we can't do better than 3rd or 4th? it must be a conspiracy so we need to change the teams in the SEC west. I propose Mo, Ky, Vandy, MSU, A&M, Arky, and LSU. That would be good...

And move the SEC office to New Orleans...

And hire the FBI to investigate"

And quit making LSU play a tough November schedule"

What a total bunch of losers....

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whine

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....is what LSU does. The rest of the Big 6 finds this characteristic unbecoming.

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You play a cup cake schedule with 2 or 3 tough games sprinkled in. Your team would in no way hold up to 8 rigorous conference games plus ooc.

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The BIG XII had three teams finish with double digit wins last season. So did PAC 12. The B1G had 4 teams finish with double digit wins. Facts are facts.Those are the competitive leagues.
Way down at the bottom of the pack in last place was the SEC who had one team, ONE TEAM, that completed a double digit win season. You aren't a competitive league, and that's not a "meat grinder" nor is it "rigorous". It's one good team and a bunch of mediocrity.

Whooooooo plays the cupcake schedule?

As far as OOC, you've played UCLA, ASU, Lamar, Rice, UTEP, Sam Houston State, SMU and La-Tech you pathetic pussies.

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OU isn't handcuffed to Oklahoma State.

Every time this argument comes up someone says this exact thing and it is false.

OU will end up leaving at some point and OSU will end up going another direction.

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:lsu kige:

The dynamics of OU + OSU are similar to UNC + NCST

Both can probably go their own way especially if one can stay in a P5 by separating from the other. The bigger, and often undiscussed issue, is the law of unintended consequences.

Tulane left the SEC, and from the academic vs athletic side, it is understood. Chicago, a top football school in the early days of the B1G, dropped football to concentrate on academics and it has not harmed them in the least. It probably helped Ohio State the most as their football team filled the void left by Maroon football. Point being this has happened before and will happen again when good schools vacate a space.

The opposite is when somebody takes the lesser athletic school and allows them to grow unfettered by a bigger brother (from the national media perspective). Clemson had the athletic space in SC but turned down the SEC when invited for membership. This allowed the Cocks to take that space and with the exposure and SEC $$$$ move ahead of Clemson in overall sports in the states. Cocks were smart and used that first generation of SEC membership to upgrade their facilities and hire the coaches.

Here we are in the early part of the 2nd generation and Cocks have 2 CWS Natty's and a WBB Natty. The bigger issue is with the SECN they also have 10-20 million a year extra to spend on staff and that number will widen over time. SEC took the school less desired and allowed the exposure to build into a top program. The addition of Texas A&M in the last round is a similar case study and will probably have similar results. TAMU came in with money so they can ramp of faster (like the new football stadium) but in trade they have gotten much more national exposure via the SEC than sitting in the Texas shadow in the old SWC and B12.

Now you have a smart school like OU or UNC with the problem of what to do and what happens to your little brother in your home state. Personally I do not see the ACC ever getting raided by the SEC as both are ESPN and they have been cross scheduling games since the SIAA and know why their big donors write the big checks. Both Florida and Florida State get big donations because they play each other each year and maximizes revenue without cannibalizing it.

Lets say tho, the ACC collapsed and UNC had to move

Option #1 = B1G
Option #2 = SEC
Option #3 = B12 - not an option because of distance and dysfunction
Option #4 = PAC - not an option because of distance

So say UNC goes to the B1G where they are no longer the biggest wheel and they are least like the bulk of their fellow members. They also now have the farthest traveling distances to the conference as a whole and the B1G HQ in Chicago. B1G will never invite NC State so they go to the SEC and fit in fairly well because of previous scheduling and travel distance to the east and Atlanta / Nashville / Birmingham.

In a generation NC State has grown and UNC has withered because the SEC is the better choice for sports and growth in populations.

Sooners have the same problem but a few more options

Option #1 = B1G
Option #2 = SEC
Option #3 = B12 - keeps them as a big fish in a small pond
Option #4 = PAC - could keep OSU as little brother in same conference

While I would rule out OSU to the SEC with OU, if OU went to the B1G I would not rule out the SEC adding OSU. This is the heart of the OU decision making process because if the B1G would not take Lubbock to get Austin, they will not take Stillwater to get Norman. The only option to keep OSU as little brother is to keep the B12 together or move to the PAC.

I imagine if USC said "we don't want this team in the conference" that most of the schools would back their play on general principle.

Just like I think most schools would back A&M, Arkansas, and Missouri putting their foot down and refusing to let Texas into the conference.

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I think most schools would back A&M, Arkansas, and Missouri putting their foot down and refusing to let Texas into the conference.

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I do not think it will ever even come to that. The biggest issue with Texas is Texas itself. Really I would be shocked if they ever went to the B1G or SEC where they would just be another school with a singular vote on issues. Their ego would never allow this to happen.

They will fail if they go IND and the ACC is a travel nightmare so their only real options are keep the B12 together - tho they really should get back to at least 12 - or move to the PAC and take 3 other votes with them so they have more influence.

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However, Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama and Auburn will whine of the imbalance, but who gives a shite?

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LSU fans bitch out the imbalance already more than anyone ive ever heard

"Why do UT and Bama get to keep playing "