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re: Basketball Power Rankings Going into Conference Season
Posted on 12/19/16 at 7:43 pm to GatorsGators
Posted on 12/19/16 at 7:43 pm to GatorsGators
Your season was defined by qualifying 'quality losses.' grats.
This season will be more of the same.
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Posted on 12/19/16 at 7:45 pm to GatorsGators
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But if you tell me that I need to rank Arkansas above Texas A&M at this point in the season because of RPI, then you're being stupid.
And he clearly didn't just give RPI as his reasoning, he also including eye test which is what your power ranking consists of.
He even was giving his opinion on how a win will look by the end of the year.
How are you defining your quality wins/loses? Is that the eye test as well?
This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 12/19/16 at 7:47 pm to CockInYourEar
quote:We have better quality wins so far than South Carolina, so
Your season was defined by qualifying 'quality losses.' grats.
This season will be more of the same.
And even last year, our season of "quality losses" got us farther in the postseason than South Carolina's best season in decades.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 7:50 pm to GatorsGators
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GatorsGators
You're so mad right now.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 7:55 pm to GatorsGators
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We have better quality wins so far than South Carolina, so
Not really, since you want to disqualify RPI for your argument.
Carolina has much bigger wins so far this season just based on named wins alone.
Florida has 3 losses and Carolina has 1. Carolina looks like a more well rounded team that Florida and has better coaching.
Its pretty simple. Take off your homer goggles and you may see things like the rest of us.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 7:58 pm to rockiee
quote:Most of his basis was built upon RPI gibberish and incorrect facts (like "South Carolina hasn't lost this year"). If 99% of his post wasn't RPI or if he even qualified his statements, then you'd have a point, but making statements like "Texas A&M has no RPI Top 50 wins" while saying early in his post that South Carolina has quality wins (when by his own standards, they don't) is stupid. He's selectively using December RPI to feed into his biases. The post was stupid.
And he clearly didn't just give RPI as his reasoning, he also including eye test which is what your power ranking consists of.
Why are you white-knighting?
quote:A bit of eye test, a bit of KenPom/RPIforecast (if you want to talk about RPI, use RPIforecast. Even if you disagree with the records that they predict for each team -- like I doubt Ole Miss will go 7-11 in SEC play -- they have a predicted RPI for each potential based on predicted records for their opponents, their opponents' opponents, etc).
How are you defining your quality wins/loses? Is that the eye test as well?
But I recognize that all of these things are flawed -- Houston may end up a better win than Virginia Tech by season's end. But RPI "backs up" nothing at this point; it just feeds into bullshite. Save the RPI talk for February.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:02 pm to Hawgeye
quote:Well except that Seton Hall is about as good as Michigan (I could see a case for either team being better), and Miami is better than Syracuse, so, no
Carolina has much bigger wins so far this season just based on named wins alone.
They have bigger name wins, true
quote:More well-rounded? On what basis? I'd say Florida is more well-rounded based on the fact that South Carolina relies more upon one player (Thornwell) more than UF and relies more heavily on their backcourt in general. UF gets production out of Robinson, Leon, Egbunu, and Stone; South Carolina gets production out of Kotsar and Silva.
Florida has 3 losses and Carolina has 1. Carolina looks like a more well rounded team that Florida and has better coaching.
quote:The rest of us? You mean a Gcockboi, a few other South Carolina fans, and a few Arky fans mad that I ranked A&M ahead of them?
Its pretty simple. Take off your homer goggles and you may see things like the rest of us.
This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:04 pm to GatorsGators
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But RPI "backs up" nothing at this point; it just feeds into bullshite. Save the RPI talk for February.
Then by your reasoning, Florida has struggled this year. Which I think they have.
I think Florida lacks coaching and is severely overrated this season. Kentucky, South Carolina, Arkansas, and possibly Texas A&M will be the class of the league this season.
Early season stats also support my argument. Florida ranks in the middle or on the lower half of most all of the stats compiled this season amongst SEC teams. Florida doesn't really do anything really well. Pretty much just mediocre across the board.
PPG: 6th
Assists: 13th
FG%: 8th
3PT%: 8th
Rebounds: 9th
Florida just doesn't do anything really well. Just a collection of middle of the pack play so far this season.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:05 pm to GatorsGators
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The rest of us? You mean a Gcockboi, a few other South Carolina fans, and a few Arky fans mad that I ranked A&M ahead of them?
The only one mad right now in your own thread, is you
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:06 pm to Hawgeye
Mad? Nah.
Bored and procrastinating? Yes.
ESPN has UF as a 5 and South Carolina as a 6, while CBS has UF as a 6 and South Carolina as an 8
Open up your eyes, bruh
Bored and procrastinating? Yes.
ESPN has UF as a 5 and South Carolina as a 6, while CBS has UF as a 6 and South Carolina as an 8
Open up your eyes, bruh
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:13 pm to GatorsGators
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GatorsGators
They're open and have been all season.
Florida just isn't that good so far this season. 154th in the nation in rebounding is going to be a problem once regular SEC road games start.
You're mad that someone else disagree with you in your own thread.
Ranking the SEC tourney contenders now...
1. Kentucky
2. South Carolina
3. Arkansas
4. aTm
5. Florida
6. Ole Miss
7. Georgia
8. Auburn
9. LSU
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:19 pm to Gary Busey
Yep, it looks like we have gotten worse in year two. I still have hope though
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:19 pm to Hawgeye
quote:Our offensive stats aren't great but they're not bad. You also need to take into account that the schedule we've played is leagues tougher than any of the other teams you've listed. But, yes, our offense isn't elite, although I'd say it's significantly better than South Carolina's (you not posting their offensive stats, which are as mediocre against worse competition, is disingenuous). Our offense is ranked 26th in KenPom.
Early season stats also support my argument. Florida ranks in the middle or on the lower half of most all of the stats compiled this season amongst SEC teams. Florida doesn't really do anything really well. Pretty much just mediocre across the board.
PPG: 6th
Assists: 13th
FG%: 8th
3PT%: 8th
Rebounds: 9th
Florida just doesn't do anything really well. Just a collection of middle of the pack play so far this season.
And you also didn't post defensive stats, which don't support your argument. South Carolina is the only team in the conference with better defensive stats.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:26 pm to Hawgeye
I'm not mad. Just enjoy a bit of debate/smack talk and you've been disappointing. Opening all of your posts with "you're so mad" doesn't actually make me mad
We're not facing frontcourt's like Gonzaga's and Duke's every night in the SEC.
quote:I don't think rebounding will be a problem for this team. They were 4th in rebounding in conference play last year and should be similar this year with about the same frontcourt one year more experienced.
154th in the nation in rebounding is going to be a problem once regular SEC road games start.
We're not facing frontcourt's like Gonzaga's and Duke's every night in the SEC.
This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:27 pm to GatorsGators
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Why are you white-knighting?
Really? I ask you what you are using to justify your judgements after calling someone out and I'm white knighting? Don't post a power rankings if questions or observations about it make you upset.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:29 pm to GatorsGators
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And you also didn't post defensive stats, which don't support your argument. South Carolina is the only team in the conference with better defensive stats.
Florida is 154th in the nation in rebounding
Florida is 253rd in the nation in defensive rebounding
Florida is 162nd in the nation in rebounding margin
Florida is 62nd in the nation in scoring defense
Florida is 96th in the nation in FG% defense
Florida is 105th in the nation in scoring offense
Florida is 172nd in the nation in FG%
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:29 pm to GatorsGators
We are going to beat some teams we should have no chance against and lose to teams like BC because of our youth and 3 point shooting.
Auburn will improve exponentially as the year goes on, we are being carried by nothing but freshman to this point.
Auburn will improve exponentially as the year goes on, we are being carried by nothing but freshman to this point.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:32 pm to Hawgeye
quote:Considering our schedule, those stats are terrific
Florida is 62nd in the nation in scoring defense
Florida is 96th in the nation in FG% defense
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:41 pm to GatorsGators
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Considering our schedule
Its funny you attempt to discredit RPI, but then use one of its biggest factors when trying to back up your earlier claims.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 8:43 pm to rockiee
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Really? I ask you what you are using to justify your judgements after calling someone out and I'm white knighting? Don't post a power rankings if questions or observations about it make you upset.
Power rankings don't need statistical justification. That's why they're power rankings.
The problem with his post is that he was selectively using RPI, which is meaningless at this point anyways. You can't argue that Arkansas has better wins than Texas A&M using RPI as your only justification when earlier you said that South Carolina has better wins than Florida, when according to the RPI, they don't.
Either use it or don't (and this early, please don't). If you selectively use it to feed into your own opinions, then just don't use it at all and just say, "Well, I think that South Carolina is better than Florida, and I think that Michigan is a better win than Seton Hall" instead of, "South Carolina is better than Florida because of 'Stupid Stat X' and Michigan is a better win than Seton Hall because of 'Stupid Stat Y'." At least then you're being honest with where you're coming from.
This post was edited on 12/19/16 at 8:50 pm
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