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re: Bama doesn't deserve trip to Atlanta
Posted on 11/15/11 at 1:30 pm to Mer Rouge
Posted on 11/15/11 at 1:30 pm to Mer Rouge
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God forbid it happening, but if they come into Tiger Stadium and win they damn sure have an argument. It will not matter how you gumps spin it.
So, based on what you're saying, Arky would have an argument because:
Team A (Arky) loses to Team B (Bama), but beats Team C (LSU).
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Team C (LSU) beats Team B (Bama).
But wait. If you made Bama Team A, LSU Team B, and Arky Team C, wouldn't Bama then have an argument over LSU?
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 1:33 pm to xHITMANx
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Actually it does.
If Arky is NOT ranked above LSU in the final standings then LSU is the 2nd of the tied teams in the tie-breaker clause. LSU wins the head to head tie breaker over Bama and goes to Atlanta.
No it actually wont matter. Even though you said just what I said in another way. If Ark is ranked ahead of LSU, and Bama wins out Bama goes to ATL. If all three have just one loss.
So if LSu loses to Ole Miss but beats ARKY and is still not ahead of ARKY in the rankings then Bama goes. Its really simple.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 1:34 pm to Jon Ham
The bottom line is this..if Arky beats LSU, it will either be Bama or LSU going to the dome. I don't see any way that Bama slips behind BOTH Arky and LSU if we win out, and that's what it would take for Arky to win the tie breaker. Bama's just too strong in the computers and even the human polls to drop us behind a team that we crushed (Arky), and a team that just lost their last game of the season on their home field (LSU).
Posted on 11/15/11 at 2:59 pm to Jon Ham
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The only thing keeping Bama up there is their preseason ranking and media hype, which is ridiculous.
I agree with most of your post, but this is just dumb.
Alabama is staying near the top of the rankings because they might be the best team in the country. The media hype is warranted.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:18 pm to BayouBengals03
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BayouBengals03
usually pretty level headed poster. I appreciate that.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:25 pm to bamasgot13
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but you can't honestly think that Coaches, Computer, Media, etc would rank one team over a team that beat them by 24 points. Your posting history would indicate you are too smart of a guy to honestly believe that.
I admit it's unlikely, but I think there's an argument to be made and a small chance enough voters will agree with my argument to vault Arkansas.
Again, if this was just about Bama vs. Arkansas, then I would agree that Bama should get the nod due to head to head win. But it would be a 3 way tie, so everything must be considered. How fair is it that Bama would have had a shot at home to basically win the SEC, couldn't win that, and then gets another shot to win the SECCG when Arkansas had to play both Bama and LSU on the road when both teams finished 11-1? Not fair IMO, but I know that "fairness" is a debatable concept.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:27 pm to FleshEatingSalsa
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It's just your rational is so far off base. You're opinion isn't really matching up with the logic you offer.
You're not the first to take a dive. Won't be the last. Just sad to see.
I don't find the OP illogical at all, care to point out where that is?
Try to put yourself in my shoes for a moment. Say your team in 9-1 and a chance to end 11-1 with a win over #1 team on the road, and yet everyone is basically writing off your team. Wouldn't you try to put out the argument why your team deserves a shot?
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:28 pm to whodidthat
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Most logical post I have ever seen a hog fan write
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:29 pm to Jon Ham
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:30 pm to Jon Ham
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How fair is it that Bama would have had a shot at home to basically win the SEC, couldn't win that, and then gets another shot to win the SECCG when Arkansas had to play both Bama and LSU on the road when both teams finished 11-1? Not fair IMO, but I know that "fairness" is a debatable concept
You keep bringing up "at Home" as if the schedule doesn't rotate every year. Bama had to play on the road against Arky and LSU last year. It just so happens it got those games at home this year. Next year Arky should be just as strong as this year and you'll play Bama & LSU at home. You won't be complaining about "fair" then.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:32 pm to Jon Ham
You keep saying this over and over, and you're still one dumb motherfricker for doing so.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:39 pm to bamasgot13
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Next year Arky should be just as strong as this year and you'll play Bama & LSU at home. You won't be complaining about "fair" then.
Well hopefully Arkansas wins both those games so there is no need for debate. If Bama could have scored a single TD against LSU this season, then there would be nothing to dispute. If Bama was undoubtedly deserving of an SECC and BCSNC, they should have been able to score more than 6 points on their home field.
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:46 pm to Jon Ham
Earlier you state that scores don't matter because "there are volatile factors involved", but you're going to use a score as evidence against Alabama anyway?
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:47 pm to Jon Ham
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If Bama was undoubtedly deserving of an SECC and BCSNC, they should have been able to score more than 6 points on their home field.
So points scored is the benchmark for being undoubtedly deserving of an SECC and BCSNC? (which, btw, I never said Bama was "undoubtedly" deserving of..I didn't even say deserving of). Bama scored 6 in regulation on LSU's incredible defense. LSU scored 6 in regulation on our incredible defense. They outscored us 3-0 in over-time.
LSU won the game, but there is no separation in these two teams from each other. They are microscopicly close to each other. That game could have easily gone the other way and most LSU fans acknowledge that. It was just a great defensive struggle.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:50 pm to Jon Ham
Arky doesn't deserve it since Bobby accepted defeat at the end of 3rd qtr and pulled your starting qb. Quitters don't deserve to play for championships.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:51 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Earlier you state that scores don't matter because "there are volatile factors involved", but you're going to use a score as evidence against Alabama anyway?
I don't think scores should matter nearly as much as overall record, SOS, and current strength of team, but whether I like it or not voters will probably look to scores and people who disagree with me will keep throwing out that card so I might as well too.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 3:59 pm to bamasgot13
Posted on 11/16/11 at 7:35 pm to BayouBengals03
Arkie and Bama fightin' over 2nd place... 
Posted on 11/16/11 at 7:50 pm to Jon Ham
If I were you I'd be more worried about the Hogs getting embarrassed by LSU than about all these hypothetical scenarios that ain't never gonna happen.
Posted on 11/16/11 at 8:22 pm to Defense
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Defense
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So if LSu loses to Ole Miss but beats ARKY and is still not ahead of ARKY in the rankings then Bama goes. Its really simple.
I can't believe nobody caught this. If LSU loses to Ole Miss and beats Arkansas then LSU is 11-1, Alabama is 11-1, and Arkansas is 10-2. LSU would go to Atlanta due to the head to head win over Arkansas.
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