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Posted on 9/14/11 at 3:36 pm to BigerTait
While I disagree with about 1/3 of the opinions you expressed, you've been pretty reasonable in this thread.
The problem you are encountering is that AU fans have put up with a ton of unreasonable posters for about a year on this or similar topics. Thus it is assumed you are the same. Don't take it personally.
The problem you are encountering is that AU fans have put up with a ton of unreasonable posters for about a year on this or similar topics. Thus it is assumed you are the same. Don't take it personally.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 3:43 pm to BigerTait
Who gives a shittttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!
We're almost a quarter of the way into the 2011 season and you're bringing up some off-season topic from last year.
We're almost a quarter of the way into the 2011 season and you're bringing up some off-season topic from last year.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 3:44 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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His opinion was your opinion was incorrect.
No, I expect people to disagree. Thats what forums are for right? Giving your opinions.
What he said was that "i dont think". Hardly an opinion...
Posted on 9/14/11 at 3:46 pm to BigerTait
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But I remember watching Auburn games last year in the 4th quarter, especially the LSU game, where they would snap it to Cam, and he would literally just run to wherever there was an opening in the line for 10+ yards nearly every play.
LSU better have a better game plan against MSU or they or their defense is going to get gashed like they did against Auburn last year.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 3:47 pm to WDE24
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While I disagree with about 1/3 of the opinions you expressed, you've been pretty reasonable in this thread.
Thats why they are called opinions haha. Thank you.
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The problem you are encountering is that AU fans have put up with a ton of unreasonable posters for about a year on this or similar topics. Thus it is assumed you are the same. Don't take it personally.
I guess I should have expected.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 3:49 pm to mckibaj
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LSU better have a better game plan against MSU or they or their defense is going to get gashed like they did against Auburn last year
Miss St. did remind me a bit of Auburn in that game. Relf looked like Newton, except on the last play...
Posted on 9/14/11 at 3:52 pm to BigerTait
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Miss St. did remind me a bit of Auburn in that game. Relf looked like Newton, except on the last play...
Yeah..they have a very good run game. I don't think Relf is as fast as Cam but he is close to the same size. Relf looked awful throwing the ball. I think LSU wins big if they stop the run.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 3:55 pm to BigerTait
....can still beat Miss State? 
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:01 pm to BigerTait
When I got to the word "outrageous" I started getting a headache.
dr the rest.
dr the rest.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:01 pm to TreyAnastasio
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So Im riding in the car with three of my good friends who just happen to be Auburn fans
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What did you book them with?
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:02 pm to BigerTait
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Having to listen to these outrageous remarks, I countered saying that Auburn, without Cam Newton, would have lost for sure to Alabama, LSU, and Kentucky; most likely lost to South Carolina (the first time) and Miss. St.; and possibly lost to Clemson and Arkansas. And I was being generous with these predictions. So that would have left Auburn with at best an 8-4 record, but would have been more like 7-5 or 6-6. No SECCG, no BCS bowl.
I think you are completely correct. The biggest factor I look at to make this point is the margin of victory for each game and what Cam did in that game.
MSU (won by 3) - could go either way. Cam led the team in rushing (even when subtracting sacks) and had two passing touchdowns granted in the first half. While this obviously wasn't his best game, he made drive extending plays to run down the clock.
Clemson (won by 3) - most likely a loss. The game went into OT and AU needed a big 3rd quarter comeback and a missed field goal by Clemson to win. Again Cam had 2 passing tds.
South Carolina (won by 8) - Easily a loss here. AU needed another big comeback. He had a 54 yard run for td as well as two more rushing tds and threw for two more tds. 176 rushing yards and 158 passing. Sorry, Trotter aint winning this game.
Kentucky (won by 3) - easily a loss. Cam had 198 yards rushing with 4 tds and 210 yards passing. Game was tied going into the 4th. Cam led a 7 min, 22 sec drive to end the game on a field goal.
Arkansas (won by 22) - this one is a little harder, but I don't think Trotter puts up more than 40 on Arky. Cam had 188 yards rushing, 3 tds, and 140 yards passing with 1 td. They won by 22, but got 28 of those points in the 4th after being down by 6 earlier in the quarter.
LSU (won by 7) - this one is easily a loss. Cam had 217 yards rushing and 2 tds. Barely did anything threw the air. His back must have been sore because carried this game.
Georgia (won by 18) - most likely a loss. Cam had 151 yards rushing with 2 tds, and 148 yards passing with 2 tds. Remember they were down 21-7 after the first quarter and only up 3 going into the 4th.
Bama (won by 1) - easily a loss. We all saw what he did to Bama this game. Not even a question. While he only had 39 rushing yards with 1 td. Even the AU website called it the "Cam Newton Show".
All this being said, there are 6 games there that were most likely or definitely a loss for AU. I would say they would have been an 6-6/7-5 team.
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:06 pm to BigerTait
My biggest problem with your post is: why even play along with these Auburn fans? Who gives a crap about Auburn without Cam.. if Trotter had been the QB, we would have been a throw first - then run later offense. Not a single one of the games from last year would have been even CLOSE to the same game, so therefore, Auburn without Cam last year = 0-12 because it's just not possible.. there are no alternate universes! 
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:10 pm to mckibaj
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Yeah..they have a very good run game. I don't think Relf is as fast as Cam but he is close to the same size. Relf looked awful throwing the ball. I think LSU wins big if they stop the run.
Ballard looked like he was on a mission in that 4th quarter. 10+ yards a carry it seemed. Relf did look a little awkward throwing, like he was still back in highschool or something. Im not worried about arm, especially with the secondary that LSU has.
Relf definitley has the ability to run, but it seems like it takes him a while to get through the line to that second level. Newton always looked like he got past the line of scrimmage so quickly, which made him so dangerous. I believe LSU has a fast enough DL to keep Relf in check, not necessarily stop him. Ballard is the one Im more worried about though.
All in all, my prediction is that MSU moves the ball well enough to gain significant yards, but gets stopped deep into LSU territory several times to where they settle for field goals.
LSU - 34
MSU - 19
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:15 pm to BaddestAndvari
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Not a single one of the games from last year would have been even CLOSE to the same game
You're right, but those teams would have still scored the same amount or higher. Cam doesn't play defense, but he did extend a lot of drives which ate up clock.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:16 pm to LSUcc
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Clemson (won by 3) - most likely a loss. The game went into OT and AU needed a big 3rd quarter comeback and a missed field goal by Clemson to win. Again Cam had 2 passing tds.
Cam had 2 TDs and 2 INTs.
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South Carolina (won by 8) - Easily a loss here.
We won by 8, and we ran all over them. They couldn't stop anyone. We were down early because of 2 fumbles in the 1st half that they scored 14 points on. We came back because of 2 fumbles that we scored points on in the 2nd half. Obviously, I can't say we definitely would have won, but saying this would have easily been a loss is dumb.
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Arkansas (won by 22)
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Georgia (won by 18) - most likely a loss.
Someone already mentioned this, but no one knows what our offense would have looked like with someone elss at the helm. With Malzahn and that o-line, it definitely would have still been great. Our offense and the other teams defensive gameplan would have been completely different. To say that we would have won or lost a game without Cam Newton is stupid.
Someone already mentioned this, but seriously, there is no way Bama even sniffs a BCS NC in 2009 without Ingram. Where's Florida without Tebow? Why is this argument about Cam Newton constantly being made. It's ridiculous.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:24 pm to BigerTait
Whoever in this thread who thinks they can predict which games AU would have won or lost with a completely different QB and offensive focus is full of themselves and probably wrong
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:24 pm to audodger
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Why is this argument about Cam Newton constantly being made.
Because he was BOUGHT! There was no scandal about Tebow or Ingram was there?!
Once again, go back and look at the scoring recap and stats for the game and your eyes will be opened.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:25 pm to LSUcc
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The biggest factor I look at to make this point is the margin of victory for each game and what Cam did in that game.
Thats what I looked at as well for the most part. Yes, the gameplans would have been different, but what Cam was able to provide for that offense was unmistakable. Im sorry but there is no way that Trotter, or any other QB, could have given that offense such an advantage. It was so hard for opposing teams to come up with a defensive gameplan. Having Newton in there made their offense so difficult to defend, yet so simple to orchastrate. Load the box and stop the run, Newton will pass all over you. Play safe and prevent the pass, Newton and the running backs gain easy yards on the ground. Another QB most likely doesnt give you these advatages. This is why I believe my argument was somewhat reasonable.
Maybe not useful and applicable, but reasonable.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 4:25 pm to LSUcc
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Once again, go back to the Tiger Rant you fricking moron
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