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re: Auburn May Add National Championships
Posted on 1/31/14 at 8:50 am to SamGinn Cam
Posted on 1/31/14 at 8:50 am to SamGinn Cam
2004 could be claimed by Auburn b/c USC vacated.. but I hate the concept of claiming past championships. Auburn copying big brother as clear as day.
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Posted on 1/31/14 at 8:51 am to WDE24
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Why did Bama start to retroactively claim championships?
I don't know. It was 1983, an age before 24-hour news, the internet, and message boards. Auburn is attempting to do it 31 years later, when people can laugh at them and call them names 24/7 for retroactively claiming titles. It's one thing to claim a title BEFORE the poll era, it's quite another to claim 1983, 1993, and 2004 when you didn't win a single championship from a major selector.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 8:52 am to RollTide1987
I'm wondering how it went about. Did UA have a press conference and announce that they were claiming the NCs, or did they just subtly sneak them in the media guide and everyone else was like "lol what?"
Posted on 1/31/14 at 8:53 am to 14&Counting
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Minnesota was the legit champ in 1941
To say that there was any "legit" champion in 1941 is a stretch in and of itself, just because so many teams weren't able to compete in bowl games due to the war.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 8:53 am to RollTide1987
quote:Really? It is well known that it was done in response to the National Championships claimed by Notre Dame.
I don't know.
quote:Got to create justifications somehow I guess.
It's one thing to claim a title BEFORE the poll era, it's quite another to claim 1983, 1993, and 2004 when you didn't win a single championship from a major selector.
Your response would have been better if you just said I love Bama and I hate Auburn and that's why I think the way I do.
ETA: Are you saying Bama hasn't retroactively claimed any championships since the AP poll started?
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 8:56 am
Posted on 1/31/14 at 8:54 am to SamGinn Cam
Damn you Jay Jacobs for trying to keep auburn competitive.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 8:55 am to SamGinn Cam
hell, now that other schools are joining bama in this kind of bull shite there will be 3 or 4 nc's every friggin' year.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 8:56 am to NYCAuburn
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funny thing about claiming NC's before bowl games back then, huh
That is the BS part. You got a mulligan if you lost your bowl game. Back then it is not like we were littered with the excessive bowls we have today, so if you were in a bowl game you were probably in the Top 10 or at least Top 25.
There were the multi year bowls back in 1957 off the top of my head:
Bluebonnet - secondary, now defunct
Orange Blossom Classic - historic AA bowl
Sun - one of the early 30's bowls, now secondary
Gator - secondary
Tangerine - secondary, now the Cap One Bowl
Liberty - secondary, but did not start till right after 57'
Rose - primary
Orange -primary
Sugar - primary
Cotton - primary
So every year you are looking at about 8 bowl games which means 16 teams is all you need.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 8:56 am to Rig
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Damn you Jay Jacobs for trying to keep auburn competitive
Adding some numbers in your media guide doesn't make you more competitive on the field.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 8:58 am to WDE24
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It is well known that it was done in response to the National Championships claimed by Notre Dame.
Link?
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ETA: Are you saying Bama hasn't retroactively claimed any championships since the AP poll started?
No...I'm saying that there is a difference between claiming national championships that occurred before the poll era and claiming national championships that occurred within the poll era. Alabama's only questionable title claim is 1941. A very dumb claim that still puzzles me to this day.
If this happens, Auburn will claim national championships in 1958, 1983, 1993, and 2004. Those are four VERY questionable claims along the same lines as Alabama's 1941 claims - if not worse.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 8:59 am to 14&Counting
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As far as the OP is concerned it reeks of insecurity and little brother syndrome.
Actually what it reeks of is hypocrisy. Auburn has always considered itself above the pettiness of claiming "false" championships. That was strictly a bammer thing.
Apparently not.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 9:01 am to Dawgnational
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2010 could be claimed by Auburn b/c USC vacated.. but I hate the concept of claiming past championships. Auburn copying big brother as clear as day.
I think you mean 2004. Auburn DID win the 2010 National Championship. Cam Newton and all that.
In regards to 2004 - if USC forfeits, then Oklahoma, as the #2, gets the nod.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 9:01 am to SamGinn Cam
I foresee an NC arms race within the state. Alabama should respond by claiming all unbeaten and 1 loss seasons - then wait and see what Auburn's counter move is.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 9:01 am to DaBama
these same rumors were floating around in early 2011 after we beat oregon... and nothing happened.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 9:02 am to skrayper
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1983 and 2004 have legitimate claims. None of the others do
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*laughs* No, they don't.
The 1983 Auburn team got robbed that year...they played the toughest schedule (something like 8 bowl teams, 3 or 4 which were in the top ten). #1 & #2 both lost their bowl games and #5 Miami (which beat #1 Nebraska) jumped over #3 Auburn. Miami's lone loss was by 25 to Florida, a team Auburn beat by a touchdown...
This very same scenario played out for Alabama in 1977...#5 Notre Dame (who'd beaten #1 Texas) jumped over #3 Bama after #1 & #2 had both lost bowl games...despite ND losing to an unranked Ole Miss team that year (OM finished 5-6) that Bama beat by 3 TDs. I know us older Bama fans weren't happy 'bout that one...
Posted on 1/31/14 at 9:03 am to WG_Dawg
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Adding some numbers in your media guide doesn't make you more competitive on the field.
Auburn is already competitive on the field.
I got no issue with this.
I got no idea about the ones from 100 years ago but everyone know the sham that 1983 is and if AU is accepting the AP trophy from 1957 while under probation, we might as well be consistent for 1993.
As for 2004, there is no champion from that year currently recognized and Auburn is the only undefeated team from that year...so why not.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/31/14 at 9:03 am to WG_Dawg
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Adding some numbers in your media guide doesn't make you more competitive on the field.
This is about recruiting and trying to keep the spotlight on Auburn...all their positive press is about to go away when Bama hauls in another #1 class next week.....
Posted on 1/31/14 at 9:04 am to warau
Trying to be like big brother
Posted on 1/31/14 at 9:04 am to lowspark12
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these same rumors were floating around in early 2011 after we beat oregon... and nothing happened.
I would consider it more than a rumor when the AD of Auburn University is directly quoted in the article.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 9:05 am to RollTide1987
quote:So you agree then that AU claiming these title's would be along the same line's as Alabama. That was the point.
along the same lines as Alabama
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Link?
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"I tried to make Alabama football look the best it could look and just make it as great as it could possibly be," Atcheson said. "I was a competitor myself with the other schools, and what they bragged about and boasted about, I wanted people to know the best about my school."
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"I don't know that it is the right number. But that's the great thing about college football. I hope we never have a playoff. I'll be going to my grave arguing that we should have won a national championship in 1966."
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